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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Expressing Anno Domini
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (qurgh lungqIj)
Sat Sep 23 03:41:55 2017
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From: qurgh lungqIj <qurgh@wizage.net>
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2017 13:32:48 -0400
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That I don't know. The Skybox canon suggests that we should spell out the
dates. I don't know of other date canon (although I wouldn't be surprised
if there was something in Monopoly). Perhaps Voragh may be able to help us
in that area.
qurgh
On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 1:30 PM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
> Another interesting question which came to mind is the following..
>
> Do we always need to say {tera' DIS wa'-wa'-pagh-pagh} for "1100" (c.e. or
> b.c.e.), or can we say too {tera' DIS wa' SaD wa' vatlh} ?
>
> qunnoq
>
> On Sep 22, 2017 8:23 PM, "qurgh lungqIj" <qurgh@wizage.net> wrote:
>
>> I think this is the same as in English. If I say "It happened in the year
>> 300" no one knows if I mean CE or BCE, but they assume I mean CE.
>>
>> If we had an easy way to talk about negative numbers, then I'd use that
>> for BCE.
>>
>> I don't know if I'd get "100 BCE" from {wa' vatlh DIS qaSpa' tera' DIS
>> pagh} if we hadn't had had this conversation first (or there was more
>> context included). Maybe {tera' DIS wa'-pagh-pagh qaSpa' tera' DIS pagh,
>> jagh luHIv} - "Terran year 100, before Terran year 0 happened, they
>> attacked the enemy.", but that still feels clunky to me. There's got to be
>> a better way to say it.
>>
>> Maybe {tera' DIS wa'-pagh-pagh qaSpa' bov motlh, jagh luHIv} - "Terran
>> year 100, before the usual era happened, they attacked the enemy". I'm not
>> a fan of that either really.
>>
>> qurgh
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 1:00 PM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> qurgh:
>>> > I mostly use {tera' DIS} when talking about current Earth time
>>>
>>> Initially, I thought of using the {tera' DIS}; but the problem is that
>>> if I say {tera' DIS wa' vatlh}, then how would someone know if I mean "100
>>> c.e." and not "100 b.c.e." ?
>>>
>>> Now that I think of it again, perhaps we could say something like {wa'
>>> vatlh DIS qaSpa' tera' DIS pagh} for "100 years b.c.e.", and {wa' vatlh DIS
>>> qaSpu'DI' tera' DIS pagh} for "100 years c.e."
>>>
>>> But the problem is, are the above understood by the average reader ? If
>>> you read these, would you understand what I'm trying to say ?
>>>
>>> qunnoq
>>>
>>> On Sep 22, 2017 7:48 PM, "qurgh lungqIj" <qurgh@wizage.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> tera' DIS... ;)
>>>>
>>>> I use "CE" instead of "AD". That could be {bov motlh}, but I mostly use
>>>> {tera' DIS} when talking about current Earth time.
>>>>
>>>> qurgh
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 12:44 PM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Can someone tell me how to say in klingon "Anno Domini" ?
>>>>>
>>>>> I know we can say {qeylIS bov nubwI'} for "before the era of qeylIS".
>>>>> So initially I thought of saying {christ bov cho'wI'}.
>>>>>
>>>>> But then I realized that the verb {cho'} means "to succeed to
>>>>> authority", and not "to succeed (in general)".
>>>>>
>>>>> So, I came up with {christ bov bov veb} for "the next era of the era
>>>>> of christ".
>>>>>
>>>>> I think this is correct, but again I'm not certain..
>>>>>
>>>>> Would you understand it if you saw it, without knowing the intended
>>>>> meaning ? Can you think of something better ? And if you can, can you tell
>>>>> me too ?
>>>>>
>>>>> qunnoq
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<div dir=3D"ltr">That I don't know. The Skybox canon suggests that we s=
hould spell out the dates. I don't know of other date canon (although I=
wouldn't be surprised if there was something in Monopoly). Perhaps Vor=
agh may be able to help us in that area.<div><br></div><div>qurgh</div></di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 22,=
2017 at 1:30 PM, mayqel qunenoS <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:mi=
hkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<=
br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left=
:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Another interesting que=
stion which came to mind is the following..<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div=
dir=3D"auto">Do we always need to say {tera' DIS wa'-wa'-pagh-=
pagh} for "1100" (c.e. or b.c.e.), or can we say too {tera' D=
IS wa' SaD wa' vatlh} ?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto">qunnoq</div></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sep 22, 2017 8:23 PM,=
"qurgh lungqIj" <<a href=3D"mailto:qurgh@wizage.net" target=
=3D"_blank">qurgh@wizage.net</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc =
solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I think this is the same as in Eng=
lish. If I say "It happened in the year 300" no one knows if I me=
an CE or BCE, but they assume I mean CE.=C2=A0<br><br>If we had an easy way=
to talk about negative numbers, then I'd use that for BCE.<br><br>I do=
n't know if I'd get "100 BCE" from {<span style=3D"font-f=
amily:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">wa' vatlh DIS qaSpa' tera'=
DIS pagh</span><font face=3D"sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:13.696px=
">} if we hadn't had had this conversation first (or there was more con=
text included). Maybe {tera' DIS wa'-pagh-pagh qaSpa' tera'=
DIS pagh, jagh luHIv} - "Terran year 100, before Terran=C2=A0year 0 h=
appened, they attacked the enemy.", but that still feels clunky to me.=
There's got to be a better way to say it.=C2=A0<br><br>Maybe {tera'=
; DIS wa'-pagh-pagh qaSpa' bov motlh, jagh luHIv} - "Terran ye=
ar 100, before the usual era happened, they attacked the enemy". I'=
;m not a fan of that either really.=C2=A0<br></span></font><div><font face=
=3D"sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:13.696px"><br></span></font></div>=
<div><font face=3D"sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:13.696px">qurgh<br>=
</span></font><br><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 1:00 PM, mayqel qunenoS <span dir=
=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mihkoun=
@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">qurgh:<=
/span><span><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-si=
ze:13.696px">> I mostly use {tera' DIS} when talking about current E=
arth time</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-ser=
if;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div></span><div dir=3D"auto"><span styl=
e=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">Initially, I thought of usi=
ng the {tera' DIS}; but the problem is that if I say {tera' DIS wa&=
#39; vatlh}, then how would someone know if I mean "100 c.e." and=
not "100 b.c.e." ?</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"=
font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"aut=
o"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">Now that I thi=
nk of it again, perhaps we could say something like {wa' vatlh DIS qaSp=
a' tera' DIS pagh} for "100 years b.c.e.", and {wa' v=
atlh DIS qaSpu'DI' tera' DIS pagh} for "100 years c.e.&quo=
t;</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font=
-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif=
"><span style=3D"font-size:13.696px">But the problem is, are the above unde=
rstood by the average reader ? If you read these, would you understand what=
I'm trying to say ?</span></font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D=
"sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:13.696px"><br></span></font></div><di=
v dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:13.696px"=
>qunnoq</span></font></div></div><div class=3D"m_2501568052956041499m_-3829=
226426583918603HOEnZb"><div class=3D"m_2501568052956041499m_-38292264265839=
18603h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sep 2=
2, 2017 7:48 PM, "qurgh lungqIj" <<a href=3D"mailto:qurgh@wiza=
ge.net" target=3D"_blank">qurgh@wizage.net</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attrib=
ution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-=
left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">tera' DIS... ;)<=
br><br>I use "CE" instead of "AD". That could be {bov m=
otlh}, but I mostly use {tera' DIS} when talking about current Earth ti=
me.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>qurgh</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><b=
r><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 12:44 PM, mayqel qunen=
oS <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1=
ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Can someone tell me how to say in klingon "Anno =
Domini" ?<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I know we can s=
ay {qeylIS bov nubwI'} for "before the era of qeylIS". So ini=
tially I thought of saying {christ bov cho'wI'}.</div><div dir=3D"a=
uto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">But then I realized that the verb {cho'=
;} means "to succeed to authority", and not "to succeed (in =
general)".</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">So, I ca=
me up with {christ bov bov veb} for "the next era of the era of christ=
".</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I think this is =
correct, but again I'm not certain..</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><=
div dir=3D"auto">Would you understand it if you saw it, without knowing the=
intended meaning ? Can you think of something better ? And if you can, can=
you tell me too ?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">qunno=
q</div></div>
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