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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Expressing Anno Domini
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (qurgh lungqIj)
Sat Sep 23 03:31:55 2017
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From: qurgh lungqIj <qurgh@wizage.net>
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2017 13:22:58 -0400
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I think this is the same as in English. If I say "It happened in the year
300" no one knows if I mean CE or BCE, but they assume I mean CE.
If we had an easy way to talk about negative numbers, then I'd use that for
BCE.
I don't know if I'd get "100 BCE" from {wa' vatlh DIS qaSpa' tera' DIS pagh}
if we hadn't had had this conversation first (or there was more context
included). Maybe {tera' DIS wa'-pagh-pagh qaSpa' tera' DIS pagh, jagh
luHIv} - "Terran year 100, before Terran year 0 happened, they attacked the
enemy.", but that still feels clunky to me. There's got to be a better way
to say it.
Maybe {tera' DIS wa'-pagh-pagh qaSpa' bov motlh, jagh luHIv} - "Terran year
100, before the usual era happened, they attacked the enemy". I'm not a fan
of that either really.
qurgh
On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 1:00 PM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
> qurgh:
> > I mostly use {tera' DIS} when talking about current Earth time
>
> Initially, I thought of using the {tera' DIS}; but the problem is that if
> I say {tera' DIS wa' vatlh}, then how would someone know if I mean "100
> c.e." and not "100 b.c.e." ?
>
> Now that I think of it again, perhaps we could say something like {wa'
> vatlh DIS qaSpa' tera' DIS pagh} for "100 years b.c.e.", and {wa' vatlh DIS
> qaSpu'DI' tera' DIS pagh} for "100 years c.e."
>
> But the problem is, are the above understood by the average reader ? If
> you read these, would you understand what I'm trying to say ?
>
> qunnoq
>
> On Sep 22, 2017 7:48 PM, "qurgh lungqIj" <qurgh@wizage.net> wrote:
>
>> tera' DIS... ;)
>>
>> I use "CE" instead of "AD". That could be {bov motlh}, but I mostly use
>> {tera' DIS} when talking about current Earth time.
>>
>> qurgh
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 12:44 PM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Can someone tell me how to say in klingon "Anno Domini" ?
>>>
>>> I know we can say {qeylIS bov nubwI'} for "before the era of qeylIS". So
>>> initially I thought of saying {christ bov cho'wI'}.
>>>
>>> But then I realized that the verb {cho'} means "to succeed to
>>> authority", and not "to succeed (in general)".
>>>
>>> So, I came up with {christ bov bov veb} for "the next era of the era of
>>> christ".
>>>
>>> I think this is correct, but again I'm not certain..
>>>
>>> Would you understand it if you saw it, without knowing the intended
>>> meaning ? Can you think of something better ? And if you can, can you tell
>>> me too ?
>>>
>>> qunnoq
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I think this is the same as in English. If I say "It =
happened in the year 300" no one knows if I mean CE or BCE, but they a=
ssume I mean CE.=C2=A0<br><br>If we had an easy way to talk about negative =
numbers, then I'd use that for BCE.<br><br>I don't know if I'd =
get "100 BCE" from {<span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-si=
ze:13.696px">wa' vatlh DIS qaSpa' tera' DIS pagh</span><font fa=
ce=3D"sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:13.696px">} if we hadn't had=
had this conversation first (or there was more context included). Maybe {t=
era' DIS wa'-pagh-pagh qaSpa' tera' DIS pagh, jagh luHIv} -=
"Terran year 100, before Terran=C2=A0year 0 happened, they attacked t=
he enemy.", but that still feels clunky to me. There's got to be a=
better way to say it.=C2=A0<br><br>Maybe {tera' DIS wa'-pagh-pagh =
qaSpa' bov motlh, jagh luHIv} - "Terran year 100, before the usual=
era happened, they attacked the enemy". I'm not a fan of that eit=
her really.=C2=A0<br></span></font><div><font face=3D"sans-serif"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:13.696px"><br></span></font></div><div><font face=3D"sans-s=
erif"><span style=3D"font-size:13.696px">qurgh<br></span></font><br><br></d=
iv></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, =
Sep 22, 2017 at 1:00 PM, mayqel qunenoS <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>></span> =
wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bord=
er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"f=
ont-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">qurgh:</span><span class=3D""><di=
v dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">&g=
t; I mostly use {tera' DIS} when talking about current Earth time</span=
></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13=
.696px"><br></span></div></span><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">Initially, I thought of using the {tera=
9; DIS}; but the problem is that if I say {tera' DIS wa' vatlh}, th=
en how would someone know if I mean "100 c.e." and not "100 =
b.c.e." ?</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:san=
s-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=
=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">Now that I think of it again=
, perhaps we could say something like {wa' vatlh DIS qaSpa' tera=
9; DIS pagh} for "100 years b.c.e.", and {wa' vatlh DIS qaSpu=
'DI' tera' DIS pagh} for "100 years c.e."</span></div=
><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px=
"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif"><span style=
=3D"font-size:13.696px">But the problem is, are the above understood by the=
average reader ? If you read these, would you understand what I'm tryi=
ng to say ?</span></font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif">=
<span style=3D"font-size:13.696px"><br></span></font></div><div dir=3D"auto=
"><font face=3D"sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:13.696px">qunnoq</span=
></font></div></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"g=
mail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sep 22, 2017 7:48 PM, "q=
urgh lungqIj" <<a href=3D"mailto:qurgh@wizage.net" target=3D"_blank=
">qurgh@wizage.net</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">tera' DIS... ;)<br><br>I use "CE&qu=
ot; instead of "AD". That could be {bov motlh}, but I mostly use =
{tera' DIS} when talking about current Earth time.=C2=A0<div><br></div>=
<div>qurgh</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote">On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 12:44 PM, mayqel qunenoS <span dir=3D"ltr"><=
;<a href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</=
a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Ca=
n someone tell me how to say in klingon "Anno Domini" ?<div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I know we can say {qeylIS bov nubwI&#=
39;} for "before the era of qeylIS". So initially I thought of sa=
ying {christ bov cho'wI'}.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div di=
r=3D"auto">But then I realized that the verb {cho'} means "to succ=
eed to authority", and not "to succeed (in general)".</div><=
div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">So, I came up with {christ bov=
bov veb} for "the next era of the era of christ".</div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I think this is correct, but again I&=
#39;m not certain..</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Woul=
d you understand it if you saw it, without knowing the intended meaning ? C=
an you think of something better ? And if you can, can you tell me too ?</d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">qunnoq</div></div>
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