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[tlhIngan Hol] Nouns in apposition
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Fri Sep 22 04:21:48 2017
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From: mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 16:02:14 +0300
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SuStel, there is something I would like to ask you, with regards to nouns
in apposition. At another thread we discussed the following:
Aurelie:
> yaSvaD qama'vaD taj nobmoH HoD
jIH:
> If I saw this sentence without knowing the
> intented meaning, chances are I would
> understand, that the {yaSvaD} and {qama'vaD} > are nouns in apposition.
> So, I would eventually understand, that "the
> captain gave the knife for the officer and the
> prisoner".
SuStel:
> I agree that apposition might be a strong
> interpretation, but the translation would be
> this: the captain makes the officer, the
> prisoner, give the knife. Apposition means the
> two noun phrases are equated with each
> other. They are not conjoined with an and.
> Here, with apposition, the officer is a prisoner. > If the captain made
two separate people, an
> officer and a prisoner, give knives, the
> sentence would be yaSvaD qama'vaD je taj
> nobmoH HoD.
> By the way, watch out with your translation.
> The captain doesn't give the knife to an
> officer or a prisoner, he makes them give
> knives to someone unspecified or general.
So, now let me ask you..
Suppose I write the sentence:
{Qo'noSDaq SoSlI' juHDaq qajatlh, latlh be' vImuSHa'}
"At Qo'noS at your mother's house I told you, that I love another woman".
Do you agree with the above translation, or is it, that due to the absence
of a {je} after the {juHDaq}, the meaning becomes "at your mother's house
which is Qo'noS I told you, that I love another woman" ?
qunnoq
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one unspecified or general.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><div align=3D"left" dir=
=3D"auto"><p dir=3D"ltr">So, now let me ask you..
</p><p dir=3D"ltr">Suppose I write the sentence:=C2=A0</p><p dir=3D"ltr">{Q=
o'noSDaq SoSlI' juHDaq qajatlh, latlh be' vImuSHa'}</p><p d=
ir=3D"ltr">"At Qo'noS at your mother's house I told you, that =
I love another woman".</p><p dir=3D"ltr">Do you agree with the above t=
ranslation, or is it, that due to the absence of a {je} after the {juHDaq},=
the meaning becomes "at your mother's house which is Qo'noS I=
told you, that I love another woman" ?<br></p><p dir=3D"ltr">qunnoq</=
p></div></div></div>
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