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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Spoils of war
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Sat Sep 16 04:42:57 2017
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From: mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2017 20:57:10 +0300
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> popwIj 'oH nach
Isn't here an {-'e'} on {nach} missing ?
qunnoq
On Sep 14, 2017 8:53 PM, "Felix Malmenbeck" <felixm@kth.se> wrote:
> I'm thinking =C2=ABpop=C2=BB (or =C2=ABveS popmey=C2=BB) might work. In p=
aq'batlh, Kahless
> says to Morath (on the subject of a targ that Kahless slew):
>
> loDnI'wI' bIHoHta'be'
> popwIj 'oH nach [sic]
> juHDaq porgh Daqem
>
> My brother you failed to kill,
> The head is my reward,
> You bring the carcass home.
>
> So, here =C2=ABpop=C2=BB is used in the sense of a reward that is claimed=
, rather
> than one that is willingly given. Whether or not this usage is
> metaphorical, I cannot say.
>
> //loghaD
>
>
> 14 sep. 2017 kl. 17:41 skrev SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name>:
>
> On 9/14/2017 11:27 AM, nIqolay Q wrote:
>
> On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 11:00 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Are you serious ? Do you really expect this kind of arguments to be take=
n
>> seriously ?
>>
>
> If you're going to be "in-character" and treat Klingon culture as if it's
> a real thing, then you also have to treat the Klingon language as somethi=
ng
> we only know about from the incomplete information told to us by a single
> grouchy Klingon.
>
> It's one thing to wonder in-character why no one's ever asked Maltz about
> spoils or why Maltz has never brought them up, but acting like there is
> some major deficiency in the depiction of Klingon culture simply because
> Marc Okrand hasn't worked his way through every entry in Merriam-Webster
> strikes me as incredibly stupid.
>
> You have to learn to speak mayqel-ese. I took his initial post to mean,
> not "Klingon culture and language is stupid because they don't have a wor=
d
> for *spoils,*" but "Klingons obviously have to have a word for *spoils,*
> don't they?"
>
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<div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"=
>> popwIj 'oH nach</span><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">Isn't here an {-'=
;e'} on {nach} missing ?</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"f=
ont-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto=
"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">qunnoq</span></=
div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sep =
14, 2017 8:53 PM, "Felix Malmenbeck" <<a href=3D"mailto:felixm=
@kth.se">felixm@kth.se</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;=
padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"auto">
<div>I'm thinking =C2=ABpop=C2=BB (or =C2=ABveS popmey=C2=BB) might wor=
k. In paq'batlh, Kahless says to Morath (on the subject of a targ that =
Kahless slew):</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>loDnI'wI' bIHoHta'be'</div>
<div>popwIj 'oH nach [sic]</div>
<div>juHDaq porgh Daqem</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>My brother you failed to kill,</div>
<div>The head is my reward,</div>
<div>You bring the carcass home.<br>
<br>
<div>So, here =C2=ABpop=C2=BB is used in the sense of a reward that is clai=
med, rather than one that is willingly given. Whether or not this usage is =
metaphorical, I cannot say.</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>//loghaD<br>
<div><br>
<br>
</div>
14 sep. 2017 kl. 17:41 skrev SuStel <<a href=3D"mailto:sustel@trimboli.n=
ame" target=3D"_blank">sustel@trimboli.name</a>>:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div class=3D"m_-4900309378614937698moz-cite-prefix">On 9/14/2017 11:27 AM,=
nIqolay Q wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 11:00 AM, mayqel qunenoS <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>>=
;</span> wrote:<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"auto">Are you serious ? Do you really expect this kind of argum=
ents to be taken seriously ?<br>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">If you're going to be "in-character&quo=
t; and treat Klingon culture as if it's a real thing, then you also hav=
e to treat the Klingon language as something we only know about from the in=
complete information told to us by a single grouchy
Klingon.</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">It's one thing to wonder in-character why no=
one's ever asked Maltz about spoils or why Maltz has never brought the=
m up, but acting like there is some major deficiency in the depiction of Kl=
ingon culture simply because Marc Okrand hasn't
worked his way through every entry in Merriam-Webster strikes me as incred=
ibly stupid.
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p>You have to learn to speak mayqel-ese. I took his initial post to mean, =
not "Klingon culture and language is stupid because they don't hav=
e a word for
<i>spoils,</i>" but "Klingons obviously have to have a word for <=
i>spoils,</i> don't they?"<br>
</p>
<pre class=3D"m_-4900309378614937698moz-signature" cols=3D"72">--=20
SuStel
<a class=3D"m_-4900309378614937698moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"http://tri=
mboli.name" target=3D"_blank">http://trimboli.name</a></pre>
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