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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Spoils of war
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (qurgh lungqIj)
Sat Sep 16 04:42:46 2017
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From: qurgh lungqIj <qurgh@wizage.net>
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2017 12:59:00 -0400
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On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 12:13 PM, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
> On 9/14/2017 12:02 PM, SuStel wrote:
>
> If I happen to think of something, I'll post it.
>
>
> Ah, here's one. *Deep Space Nine,* "Apocalypse Rising." Sisko, Odo,
> O'Brien, and Worf have been disguised as made-up Klingons and are hanging
> around a top-security base for a ceremony, hoping to expose Gowron as a
> changeling with some gizmos. At one point Odo drops his gizmo on the floor.
> Another Klingon picks it up and demands to know what it is. Worf steps in
> and says Odo is his brother, and the gizmo is a "tinkabot" [or whatever], a
> Vulcan toy for children. Odo says, and I quote, "The spoils of war from the
> raid on Arcanus." The Klingon seems to accept this.
>
> If Klingons did not raid and despoil, this excuse would never have been
> believed.
>
Thanks. That's another good example of another raid (I posted two different
examples of raids as well). I wonder what the UT translated the Federation
Standard "spoils of war" into.
We have a word for raid {weH}, so it was always a given that they know
about raiding, but we don't have words for "despoil" or "plunder". This
could mean something, or it might not.
I still think, based on what we've seen in the shows, that Klingons as a
whole aren't big on plundering. They always seemed to be focused on
conquering to expand the Empire, not just taking resources. The Klingons
that raided the dilithium mines in Enterprise always seemed like they
weren't part of the military machine, but were independent pirates in their
beat-up transport ship.
qurgh
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hu, Sep 14, 2017 at 12:13 PM, SuStel <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailt=
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<div class=3D"m_-7038491979968281614moz-cite-prefix">On 9/14/2017 12:02=
PM, SuStel wrote:<br>
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If I happen to think of something, I'll post it.</blockquote>
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</span><p>Ah, here's one. <i>Deep Space Nine,</i> "Apocalypse =
Rising."
Sisko, Odo, O'Brien, and Worf have been disguised as made-up
Klingons and are hanging around a top-security base for a
ceremony, hoping to expose Gowron as a changeling with some
gizmos. At one point Odo drops his gizmo on the floor. Another
Klingon picks it up and demands to know what it is. Worf steps in
and says Odo is his brother, and the gizmo is a "tinkabot" =
[or
whatever], a Vulcan toy for children. Odo says, and I quote, "Th=
e
spoils of war from the raid on Arcanus." The Klingon seems to
accept this.</p>
<p>If Klingons did not raid and despoil, this excuse would never
have been believed.</p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Thanks.=
That's another good example of another raid (I posted two different ex=
amples of raids as well). I wonder what the UT translated the Federation St=
andard "spoils of war" into.=C2=A0<br><br>We have a word for raid=
{weH}, so it was always a given that they know about raiding, but we don&#=
39;t have words for "despoil" or "plunder". This could =
mean something, or it might not.=C2=A0<br><br>I still think, based on what =
we've seen in the shows, that Klingons as a whole aren't big on plu=
ndering. They always seemed to be focused on conquering to expand the Empir=
e, not just taking resources. The Klingons that raided the dilithium mines =
in Enterprise always seemed like they weren't part of the military mach=
ine, but were independent pirates in their beat-up transport ship.=C2=A0<br=
><br>qurgh</div></div></div></div>
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