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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Spoils of war
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (qurgh lungqIj)
Fri Sep 15 06:32:20 2017
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From: qurgh lungqIj <qurgh@wizage.net>
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2017 11:27:47 -0400
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On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 11:14 AM, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
> On 9/14/2017 11:01 AM, qurgh lungqIj wrote:
>
>> Remember that Klingons conquer. They take control of planets once they
>> defeat the current owners of it. They then use the resources on that planet
>> to build more ships etc. They don't care about taking the stuff that
>> belongs to the locals.
>>
>
> Let's not go making up new cultural details to justify not knowing a word.
> Do Klingons never raid a place and take the stuff from it? Suppose they
> raided a Cardassian base during the war with the Dominion. They didn't stay
> to govern. Did they take nothing? What about Leskit from "Soldiers of the
> Empire," who wore a necklace of Cardassian neck bones?
So I made up the concept that Klingons conquer stuff?
SuvmeH 'ej charghmeH bogh tlhInganpu'.
Klingons are born to fight and conquer.
vay' DaneHbogh yIchargh.
Conquer what you desire.
There seems to be lots of evidence that they conquer. It's not "Klingons
are born to fight and raid". Conquerors don't tend to take spoils of war
because they now control the land. TOS shows Klingons conquering without
any talk of taking things from the local inhabitants.
In DS9 we only see Klingons destroying stuff and attempting to conquer the
Cardassian Union. The war didn't end until Martok stood on Cardassian. We
don't see them stealing stuff from them. I don't consider Cardassian neck
bones as "spoils of war". They are kill counters.
We see a Klingon "raid" in Enterprise, but what they took wouldn't be
"spoils of war" as there was no war. What is gained through piracy isn't
what we talk about when we use the term "spoils of war".
My statement was based on known Star Trek canon. It may not cover
everything every Klingon ever does, but it may help explain why they don't
have a specific word for profits extracted as the result of winning a war.
They don't care about profits, they care about honor.
qurgh
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hu, Sep 14, 2017 at 11:14 AM, SuStel <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailt=
o:sustel@trimboli.name" target=3D"_blank">sustel@trimboli.name</a>></spa=
n> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px =
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class=
=3D"gmail-">On 9/14/2017 11:01 AM, qurgh lungqIj wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Remember that Klingons conquer. They take control of planets once they defe=
at the current owners of it. They then use the resources on that planet to =
build more ships etc. They don't care about taking the stuff that belon=
gs to the locals. <br>
</blockquote>
<br></span>
Let's not go making up new cultural details to justify not knowing a wo=
rd. Do Klingons never raid a place and take the stuff from it? Suppose they=
raided a Cardassian base during the war with the Dominion. They didn't=
stay to govern. Did they take nothing? What about Leskit from "Soldie=
rs of the Empire," who wore a necklace of Cardassian neck bones?</bloc=
kquote><div><br>So I made up the concept that Klingons conquer stuff?=C2=A0=
<br><br><div>SuvmeH 'ej charghmeH bogh tlhInganpu'.</div><div>Kling=
ons are born to fight and conquer.</div><br><div>vay' DaneHbogh yIcharg=
h.</div><div>Conquer what you desire.</div><br>There seems to be lots of ev=
idence that they conquer. It's not "Klingons are born to fight and=
raid". Conquerors don't tend to take spoils of war because they n=
ow control the land. TOS shows Klingons conquering without any talk of taki=
ng things from the local inhabitants.=C2=A0<br><br>In DS9 we only see Kling=
ons destroying stuff and attempting to conquer the Cardassian Union. The wa=
r didn't end until Martok stood on Cardassian. We don't see them st=
ealing stuff from them.=C2=A0I don't consider Cardassian neck bones as =
"spoils of war". They are kill counters.=C2=A0<br><br>We see a Kl=
ingon "raid" in Enterprise, but what they took wouldn't be &q=
uot;spoils of war" as there was no war. What is gained through piracy =
isn't what we talk about when we use the term "spoils of war"=
.=C2=A0<br><br>My statement was based on known Star Trek canon. It may not =
cover everything every Klingon ever does, but it may help explain why they =
don't have a specific word for profits extracted as the result of winni=
ng a war. They don't care about profits, they care about honor.=C2=A0<b=
r></div><div><br></div><div>qurgh</div></div></div></div>
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