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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Spoils of war
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (nIqolay Q)
Fri Sep 15 06:32:02 2017
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From: nIqolay Q <niqolay0@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2017 11:56:49 -0400
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On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 11:40 AM, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
> On 9/14/2017 11:27 AM, nIqolay Q wrote:
>
> On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 11:00 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Are you serious ? Do you really expect this kind of arguments to be taken
>> seriously ?
>>
>
> If you're going to be "in-character" and treat Klingon culture as if it's
> a real thing, then you also have to treat the Klingon language as something
> we only know about from the incomplete information told to us by a single
> grouchy Klingon.
>
> It's one thing to wonder in-character why no one's ever asked Maltz about
> spoils or why Maltz has never brought them up, but acting like there is
> some major deficiency in the depiction of Klingon culture simply because
> Marc Okrand hasn't worked his way through every entry in Merriam-Webster
> strikes me as incredibly stupid.
>
> You have to learn to speak mayqel-ese. I took his initial post to mean,
> not "Klingon culture and language is stupid because they don't have a word
> for *spoils,*" but "Klingons obviously have to have a word for *spoils,*
> don't they?"
>
*toH! mayqel, nom jIghoH, 'ach QIt jIyaj. *I've certainly made similar
arguments before about words we don't know yet.* veS tev* (I suppose it
would be *noH tev* if you're talking about specific spoils from a specific
war) strikes me as a particularly good phrase.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 11:40 AM, SuStel <span dir=3D"ltr"=
><<a href=3D"mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" target=3D"_blank">sustel@trimb=
oli.name</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;b=
order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div><div class=3D"h5">
<div class=3D"m_-5427164374932651254moz-cite-prefix">On 9/14/2017 11:27=
AM, nIqolay Q wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">On
Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 11:00 AM, mayqel qunenoS <span dir=3D"ltr"><<=
a href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>=
></span> wrote:<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bord=
er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"auto">Are you serious ? Do you really expect this
kind of arguments to be taken seriously ?<br>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">If you're going to be "in-chara=
cter"
and treat Klingon culture as if it's a real thing, then you
also have to treat the Klingon language as something we only
know about from the incomplete information told to us by a
single grouchy Klingon.</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">It's one thing to wonder in-characte=
r
why no one's ever asked Maltz about spoils or why Maltz has
never brought them up, but acting like there is some major
deficiency in the depiction of Klingon culture simply because
Marc Okrand hasn't worked his way through every entry in
Merriam-Webster strikes me as incredibly stupid. </div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div></div><p>You have to learn to speak mayqel-ese. I took his initia=
l post to
mean, not "Klingon culture and language is stupid because they
don't have a word for <i>spoils,</i>" but "Klingons obv=
iously
have to have a word for <i>spoils,</i> don't they?"</p></div=
></blockquote><div><b>toH! mayqel, nom jIghoH, 'ach QIt jIyaj. </b>I=
9;ve certainly made similar arguments before about words we don't know =
yet.<b> veS tev</b> (I suppose it would be <b>noH tev</b> if you're tal=
king about specific spoils from a specific war) strikes me as a particularl=
y good phrase. <br></div></div></div></div>
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