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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] ghelwI'
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (SuStel)
Tue Sep 5 15:41:18 2017
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On 9/5/2017 9:04 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
> and I ask again..
>
> "..However, if one of the meanings given by the {-wI'} is "thing which
> does/is", then why not translate {ghelwI'} as "thing which
> asks"/"thing which is asking" i.e. a question ?.."
It has been pointed out to you that *ghelwI'* might indeed be translated
as the question itself, in the same way that a *ghItlhwI'* might be a
person writing or a pen writing. However, this is assuming that a
question is a thing that can /ask./ One might say a question is nothing
but an utterance that conveys the asking of a person. The question is
not asking a question. We don't know how Klingons view this linguistically.
When you used it in another thread, I understood what you were saying,
but that's not the same as saying it's the right way to say it. In a
neutral context, I'd be much more inclined to assume a *ghelwI'* is a
person or device asking a question than the question itself. Since you
can easily avoid the problem by not trying to turn /question/ into a
Klingon noun (/I have a question/ --> *jIghelnIS*), it's best to chalk
this up to "we don't know" and leave it at that.
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/5/2017 9:04 AM, mayqel qunenoS
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAP7F2c+HheUd285waS3VMGSEarxh3StFhr9UCi1oKMerAYfE9g@mail.gmail.com">
<div dir="auto"><font face="sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:13.696px">and I ask again..</span></font></div>
<div dir="auto"><span
style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br>
</span></div>
<div dir="auto"><span
style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">"..However,
if one of the meanings given by the {-wI'} is "thing which
does/is", then why not translate {ghelwI'} as "thing which
asks"/"thing which is asking" i.e. a question ?.."</span></div>
</blockquote>
<p>It has been pointed out to you that <b>ghelwI'</b> might indeed
be translated as the question itself, in the same way that a <b>ghItlhwI'</b>
might be a person writing or a pen writing. However, this is
assuming that a question is a thing that can <i>ask.</i> One
might say a question is nothing but an utterance that conveys the
asking of a person. The question is not asking a question. We
don't know how Klingons view this linguistically.</p>
<p>When you used it in another thread, I understood what you were
saying, but that's not the same as saying it's the right way to
say it. In a neutral context, I'd be much more inclined to assume
a <b>ghelwI'</b> is a person or device asking a question than the
question itself. Since you can easily avoid the problem by not
trying to turn <i>question</i> into a Klingon noun (<i>I have a
question</i> --> <b>jIghelnIS</b>), it's best to chalk this
up to "we don't know" and leave it at that.<br>
</p>
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