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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] ghelwI'
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Tue Sep 5 12:41:16 2017
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From: mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 16:04:54 +0300
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and I ask again..
"..However, if one of the meanings given by the {-wI'} is "thing which
does/is", then why not translate {ghelwI'} as "thing which asks"/"thing
which is asking" i.e. a question ?.."
qunnoq
On Sep 5, 2017 16:02, "Lieven" <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
> Am 05.09.2017 um 14:32 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:
>
>> Would you accept the word {ghelwI'} for "question" ?
>>
>
> Am 05.09.2017 um 14:47 schrieb Andr=C3=A9 M=C3=BCller:
> > No. I would understand it as a person who is asking.
>
> Exactly. Same for {jangwI'}.
>
> > But I've always been struggling a bit when in need for a word meaning
> > 'question'. The best I could come up with is: {mu'tlhegh ghellu'bogh},
> > lit. 'sentence that someone asks'.
>
> And even in this case, it sounds like somebody is stating a question TO
> the sentence, so expecting the sentence to give an answer.
>
> You "ask" a person, not a phrase.
>
> If you insist using a noun phrase, I sugest turing that around, i.e.
> {ghelbogh mu'tlhegh} "asking sentence".
>
> > It's better to find another expression, perhaps only
> > involving the verb {ghel} 'to ask'.
>
> Yes, indeed. Klingon is action-related.
>
> Don't say "I have a question", but say "I want to ask". There is nothing
> wrong with that, and it usually works: {jIghel vIneH}.
>
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<div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif"><span style=
=3D"font-size:13.696px">and I ask again..</span></font></div><div dir=3D"au=
to"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></=
div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.69=
6px">"..However, if one of the meanings given by the {-wI'} is &qu=
ot;thing which does/is", then why not translate {ghelwI'} as "=
;thing which asks"/"thing which is asking" i.e. a question ?=
.."</span><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-=
serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D=
"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">qunnoq</span></div></div><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sep 5, 2017 16:02, &=
quot;Lieven" <<a href=3D"mailto:levinius@gmx.de">levinius@gmx.de</a=
>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Am 05.0=
9.2017 um 14:32 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Would you accept the word {ghelwI'} for "question" ?<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Am 05.09.2017 um 14:47 schrieb Andr=C3=A9 M=C3=BCller:<br>
> No. I would understand it as a person who is asking.<br>
<br>
Exactly. Same for {jangwI'}.<br>
<br>
> But I've always been struggling a bit when in need for a word mean=
ing<br>
> 'question'. The best I could come up with is: {mu'tlhegh g=
hellu'bogh},<br>
> lit. 'sentence that someone asks'.<br>
<br>
And even in this case, it sounds like somebody is stating a question TO the=
sentence, so expecting the sentence to give an answer.<br>
<br>
You "ask" a person, not a phrase.<br>
<br>
If you insist using a noun phrase, I sugest turing that around, i.e. {ghelb=
ogh mu'tlhegh} "asking sentence".<br>
<br>
> It's better to find another expression, perhaps only<br>
> involving the verb {ghel} 'to ask'.<br>
<br>
Yes, indeed. Klingon is action-related.<br>
<br>
Don't say "I have a question", but say "I want to ask&qu=
ot;. There is nothing wrong with that, and it usually works: {jIghel vIneH}=
.<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Lieven L. Litaer<br>
aka Quvar valer 'utlh<br>
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