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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] ghelwI'
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Tue Sep 5 10:31:15 2017
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From: mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 16:16:08 +0300
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lieven:
> Think or the suffix as the english suffix "-er"
I didn't know this; so the translation of {-wI'} is "-er", regardless it
refers to a person or an object ?
qunnoq
On Sep 5, 2017 16:08, "Lieven" <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
> Am 05.09.2017 um 14:54 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:
>
>> However, if one of the meanings given by the {-wI'} is "thing which
>> does/is", then why not translate {ghelwI'} as "thing which asks"/"thing
>> which is asking" i.e. a question ?
>>
>
> Think or the suffix as the english suffix "-er" as in "teacher" or
> "worker". A {ghelwI'} is literally "asker". I won't say it's wrong because
> we do not know it, but it sounds in my ears as saying "I have an asker".
>
> In HolQeD, Okrand explains about {ghel} and {tlhob} that "There's the
> "ask" where you ask a question and there's "ask" where you make a request. "
>
> From this, I understand that it's a PERSON who is asking. The "question"
> is not asking, the person is. So a {ghelwI'} must be a person.
>
>
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<div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;f=
ont-size:13.696px">lieven:</span></div><span style=3D"font-family:sans-seri=
f;font-size:13.696px">> Think or the suffix as the english suffix "=
-er"</span><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;fon=
t-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">I didn't know this; so the translati=
on of {-wI'} is "-er", regardless it refers to a person or an=
object ?</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-ser=
if;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">qunnoq</span></div></div><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sep 5, 2017 16:08, &quo=
t;Lieven" <<a href=3D"mailto:levinius@gmx.de">levinius@gmx.de</a>&g=
t; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Am 05.09=
.2017 um 14:54 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
However, if one of the meanings given by the {-wI'} is "thing whic=
h does/is", then why not translate {ghelwI'} as "thing which =
asks"/"thing which is asking" i.e. a question ?<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Think or the suffix as the english suffix "-er" as in "teach=
er" or "worker". A {ghelwI'} is literally "asker&qu=
ot;. I won't say it's wrong because we do not know it, but it sound=
s in my ears as saying "I have an asker".<br>
<br>
In HolQeD, Okrand explains about {ghel} and {tlhob} that "There's =
the "ask" where you ask a question and there's "ask"=
; where you make a request. "<br>
<br>
From this, I understand that it's a PERSON who is asking. The "que=
stion" is not asking, the person is. So a {ghelwI'} must be a pers=
on.<br>
<br>
<br>
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aka Quvar valer 'utlh<br>
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