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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] law' and 'Iq
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Sat Sep 2 03:21:14 2017
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From: mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 17:55:28 +0300
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SuStel:
> *'Iq* is an inherently negative concept.
Does the {tlhoy} convey a negative concept too ? If I say {tlhoy batlh
chIw} for "he epitomizes honor excessively", then is this something
positive, or something negative ?
qunnoq
On Sep 1, 2017 17:43, "Steven Boozer" <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
(IMO, *HolQeD* 8.3): When *tlhoy *is used, it denotes that the action
expressed by the verb is what is being overly done or done too much. =E2=80=
=A6 To
express the idea of =E2=80=9Ctoo much *gagh*=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Ctoo many =
tribbles,=E2=80=9D the verb
*'Iq* *be
too many, be too much* is used adjectivally. For example: *yIHmey 'Iq
vIlegh* *I see too many tribbles*. *qagh 'Iq vISop* * I eat too much gagh*.
Sometimes, the word *law'qu'* *be very many* (formed from *law'* *be many*
plus =E2=80=93*qu'*, the emphatic suffix) is translated 'be too many.' If t=
he
context is clear, this is acceptable, but if it important to stress the
idea of =E2=80=9Coverly many, overly much, more than there ought to be,=E2=
=80=9D *tlhoy *or
*'Iq* is usually employed.
--Voragh
*From:* mayqel qunenoS
We know we can say {'ul law'} for "a great amount of electricity"; but can
we say too {'ul 'Iq} for "too much electricity" ?
Other than that, is there any other considerable difference between {law'}
and {'Iq} ? That is a difference besides the level of "how much", expressed
by each.
For example, is the {'Iq} only to be used in cases where we want to express
something negative ? For example {jagh 'Iq}, or can it be used too in order
to refer to something positive, for example {batlh 'Iq} ?
qunnoq
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<div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;f=
ont-size:13.696px">SuStel:</span><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">>=C2=A0<b s=
tyle=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">'Iq</b><span style=
=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">=C2=A0is an inherently negat=
ive concept.</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-=
serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D=
"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">Does the {tlhoy} convey a negat=
ive concept too ? If I say {tlhoy batlh chIw} for "he epitomizes honor=
excessively", then is this something positive, or something negative =
?</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-=
size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">qunnoq</span></div></div><div class=3D"gma=
il_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sep 1, 2017 17:43, "Steven=
Boozer" <<a href=3D"mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu">sboozer@uchicago.=
edu</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72">
<div class=3D"m_-5323487113441747439WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">(IMO, <i>HolQeD<=
/i> 8.3):=C2=A0 When
<b>tlhoy </b>is used, it denotes that the action expressed by the verb is w=
hat is being overly done or done too much. =E2=80=A6 To express the idea of=
=E2=80=9Ctoo much
<i>gagh</i>=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Ctoo many tribbles,=E2=80=9D the verb <b>&#=
39;Iq</b> <i>be too many, be too much</i> is used adjectivally. For example=
:
<b>yIHmey 'Iq vIlegh</b> <i>I see too many tribbles</i>. <b>qagh 'I=
q vISop</b> <i>
I eat too much gagh</i>. Sometimes, the word <b>law'qu'</b> <i>be v=
ery many</i> (formed from
<b>law'</b> <i>be many</i> plus =E2=80=93<b>qu'</b>, the emphatic s=
uffix) is translated 'be too many.' If the context is clear, this i=
s acceptable, but if it important to stress the idea of =E2=80=9Coverly man=
y, overly much, more than there ought to be,=E2=80=9D
<b>tlhoy </b>or <b>'Iq</b> is usually employed.<br>
<br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans=
-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">--Voragh<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"=
;Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> mayqel qunenoS<br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></span></p><div class=3D"elided-text">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We know we can say {'ul law'} for "a gr=
eat amount of electricity"; but can we say too {'ul 'Iq} for &=
quot;too much electricity" ?<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Other than that, is there any other considerable dif=
ference between {law'} and {'Iq} ? That is a difference besides the=
level of "how much", expressed by each.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">For example, is the {'Iq} only to be used in cas=
es where we want to express something negative ? For example {jagh 'Iq}=
, or can it be used too in order to refer to something positive, for exampl=
e {batlh 'Iq} ?<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">qunnoq<u></u><u></u></p>
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