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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] With "joq" - how do we choose the right verb
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (David Holt)
Fri Sep 1 03:46:10 2017
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From: David Holt <kenjutsuka@live.com>
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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 01:48:15 +0000
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I don't know what the "proper" way to do it is, but I think it's safe to sa=
y that no (or at least almost no) Klingonists will fault you or correct you=
for either choice. So say whichever feels better at the moment and don't =
let it worry you too much.
Jeremy
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From: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org> on behalf of Aur=E9=
lie Demonchaux <demonchaux.aurelie@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 11:56 AM
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Subject: [tlhIngan Hol] With "joq" - how do we choose the right verb prefix=
?
Hello all,
While discussing on the "Learn Klingon" group on Facebook, we wondered how =
to choose the correct verb prefix when "joq" (and / or) is used in the obje=
ct and / or subject of the sentence.
If we have the structure:
noun1 noun2 joq + verb
Do we consider that the object of the verb is singular or plural ?
Using an example sentence: We need to learn French and / or Klingon.
1/ vIraS Hol tlhIngan Hol joq wIghojnIS.
2/ vIraS Hol tlhIngan Hol joq DIghojnIS
if it were just a "je" we'd use "DI-" without hesitating, or if it were a "=
ghap" we'd use "wI-", but with joq... ?
Has it already been discussed at some point what to do when you can't deter=
mine whether a verb's object / subject is singular or plural ?
Thanks in advance :)
Aur=E9lie
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<p>I don't know what the "proper" way to do it is, but I think it=
's safe to say that no (or at least almost no) Klingonists will fault you o=
r correct you for either choice. So say whichever feels better at the=
moment and don't let it worry you too much.</p>
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Jeremy<br>
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<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
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<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f">While discussing on the "Learn Klingon" group on Facebook, we =
wondered how to choose the correct verb prefix when "joq" (and / =
or) is used in the object and / or subject of the sentence. </div>
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<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f">If we have the structure: </div>
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<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f">noun1 noun2 joq + verb</div>
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<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f">Do we consider that the object of the verb is singular or plural ?</div>
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<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f">Using an example sentence: We need to learn French and / or Klingon.</di=
v>
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<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f">1/ vIraS Hol tlhIngan Hol joq
<b>wI</b>ghojnIS.</div>
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f">2/ vIraS Hol tlhIngan Hol joq
<b>DI</b>ghojnIS</div>
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<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f">if it were just a "je" we'd use "DI-" without hesita=
ting, or if it were a "ghap" we'd use "wI-", but with j=
oq... ?</div>
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f"><br>
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<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f">Has it already been discussed at some point what to do when you can't de=
termine whether a verb's object / subject is singular or plural ?</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f"><br>
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<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f">Thanks in advance :)</div>
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