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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] The {-chuqmoH}
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (SuStel)
Tue Aug 29 09:53:56 2017
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On 8/29/2017 9:33 AM, Steven Boozer wrote:
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> Qo'noS tuqmey muvchuqmoH qeylIS
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> Kahless united the tribes of Kronos (PB)
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This contradicts what I said about *-chuq* and objects, and I'm going to
head you off and explain it.
There are two ways to interpret *muvchuqmoH:* *[muvchuq]moH */he/
(singular subject)/causes them /(plural object) /to join each other/ and
*[muv]chuq[moH] */they/ (plural, reflexive subject)/cause each other to
join./ When I responded earlier, I was thinking of the latter
interpretation, but both are possible. In the former, the *-moH* applies
to a singular subject causing the plural object to do something to each
other; in the latter, the *-moH* applies to a plural subject causing
each other to do something.
Things become a little murky when you're dealing with verbs that don't
take objects, because the "doer" of the verb doesn't do something to
something else. *romuluSngan pImchuqmoH* would mean /he causes the
Romulans to be different each other,/ but /be different each other/ is
as meaningless as *romuluSngan vIpIm*/I am different the Romulan./
So what I said is true... when you're dealing with verbs that don't take
objects. If the verb does allow an object, then the "doers" of the verb,
whether the subject or object, can do the verb to each other.
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/29/2017 9:33 AM, Steven Boozer
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:SN1PR11MB086362842A902C08B728F567C19F0@SN1PR11MB0863.namprd11.prod.outlook.com"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><br>
Qo'noS tuqmey muvchuqmoH qeylIS <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Kahless
united the tribes of Kronos (PB)</span></p>
</blockquote>
<p>This contradicts what I said about <b>-chuq</b> and objects, and
I'm going to head you off and explain it.</p>
<p>There are two ways to interpret <b>muvchuqmoH:</b> <b>[muvchuq]moH
</b><i>he</i> (singular subject)<i> causes them </i>(plural
object) <i>to join each other</i> and <b>[muv]chuq[moH] </b><i>they</i>
(plural, reflexive subject)<i> cause each other to join.</i> When
I responded earlier, I was thinking of the latter interpretation,
but both are possible. In the former, the <b>-moH</b> applies to
a singular subject causing the plural object to do something to
each other; in the latter, the <b>-moH</b> applies to a plural
subject causing each other to do something.</p>
<p>Things become a little murky when you're dealing with verbs that
don't take objects, because the "doer" of the verb doesn't do
something to something else. <b>romuluSngan pImchuqmoH</b> would
mean <i>he causes the Romulans to be different each other,</i>
but <i>be different each other</i> is as meaningless as <b>romuluSngan
vIpIm</b><i> I am different the Romulan.</i></p>
<p>So what I said is true... when you're dealing with verbs that
don't take objects. If the verb does allow an object, then the
"doers" of the verb, whether the subject or object, can do the
verb to each other.<br>
</p>
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