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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] use of {'el} with {-moH}
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Mon Aug 21 12:49:18 2017
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From: mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 19:49:15 +0300
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nIqolay Q:
> {pa'Daq dogvaD mo' lu'elmoH}
jIH:
> What is the {mo'} ?
Oh sorry; forget I asked. Obviously you were translating voragh's sentence;
I thought you were translating mine..
qunnoq
On Aug 21, 2017 7:43 PM, "mayqel qunenoS" <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
> nIqolay Q:
> > {pa'Daq dogvaD mo' lu'elmoH}
>
> What is the {mo'} ?
>
> qunnoq
>
> On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 7:03 PM, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
> wrote:
> > I freely admit that my example is wrong=E2=80=A6 that=E2=80=99s why I s=
uggested someone
> else
> > explain the subtleties of {=E2=80=98elmoH} =E2=80=93 which are frequent=
ly discussed on
> this
> > list. I added an unnecessary comma merely to separate the two parts of
> the
> > sentence, but brackets would have done as well. ({pa=E2=80=99} is prob=
ably not
> the
> > best example as it means both =E2=80=9Croom=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cthere=
(abouts)=E2=80=9D, the latter
> never
> > taking {-Daq}.)
> >
> >
> >
> > --Voragh
> >
> >
> >
> > From: tlhIngan-Hol [mailto:tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org] On
> Behalf Of
> > nIqolay Q
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 11:00 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > So, the following sentence which voragh wrote:
> >
> > voragh:
> >> pa'Daq mo=E2=80=99 DOG lu'elmoH
> >> in the room, they caused the dog to enter the cage
> >
> > Is wrong, and should be {pa'Daq, dogvaD mo' lu'elmoH} ?
> >
> >
> >
> > If I'm correct about the {-moH/-vaD} thing (and I like to think that I
> am,
> > though Voragh has far more canon knowledge than I do), then yes, his
> example
> > was wrong, and {pa'Daq dogvaD mo' lu'elmoH} would be correct. (The comm=
a
> is
> > probably unnecessary.)
> >
> >
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<div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"=
>nIqolay Q:</span><br style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><=
div style=3D"color:purple;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px" dir=3D=
"auto">> {pa'Daq dogvaD mo' lu'elmoH}<br>jIH:</div><span sty=
le=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">> What is the {mo'}=
?</span><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-=
family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">Oh sorry; forget I asked. Obviously y=
ou were translating voragh's sentence; I thought you were translating m=
ine..</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;f=
ont-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">qunnoq</span></div></div><div class=3D=
"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Aug 21, 2017 7:43 PM, "=
;mayqel qunenoS" <<a href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com">mihkoun@gmai=
l.com</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
>nIqolay Q:<br>
> {pa'Daq dogvaD mo' lu'elmoH}<br>
<br>
What is the {mo'} ?<br>
<br>
qunnoq<br>
<br>
On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 7:03 PM, Steven Boozer <<a href=3D"mailto:sbooze=
r@uchicago.edu">sboozer@uchicago.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
> I freely admit that my example is wrong=E2=80=A6 that=E2=80=99s why I =
suggested someone else<br>
> explain the subtleties of {=E2=80=98elmoH} =E2=80=93 which are frequen=
tly discussed on this<br>
> list.=C2=A0 I added an unnecessary comma merely to separate the two pa=
rts of the<br>
> sentence, but brackets would have done as well.=C2=A0 ({pa=E2=80=99} i=
s probably not the<br>
> best example as it means both =E2=80=9Croom=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cther=
e(abouts)=E2=80=9D, the latter never<br>
> taking {-Daq}.)<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> --Voragh<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> From: tlhIngan-Hol [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:tlhingan-hol-bounces@list=
s.kli.org">tlhingan-hol-bounces@<wbr>lists.kli.org</a>] On Behalf Of<br>
> nIqolay Q<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 11:00 AM, mayqel qunenoS <<a href=3D"mailto=
:mihkoun@gmail.com">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> So, the following sentence which voragh wrote:<br>
><br>
> voragh:<br>
>> pa'Daq mo=E2=80=99 DOG lu'elmoH<br>
>> in the room, they caused the dog to enter the cage<br>
><br>
> Is wrong, and should be {pa'Daq, dogvaD mo' lu'elmoH} ?<br=
>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> If I'm correct about the {-moH/-vaD} thing (and I like to think th=
at I am,<br>
> though Voragh has far more canon knowledge than I do), then yes, his e=
xample<br>
> was wrong, and {pa'Daq dogvaD mo' lu'elmoH} would be corre=
ct. (The comma is<br>
> probably unnecessary.)<br>
><br>
><br>
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