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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] use of {'el} with {-moH}
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (nIqolay Q)
Mon Aug 21 10:55:27 2017
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From: nIqolay Q <niqolay0@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 10:55:23 -0400
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On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 9:43 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is the {pa'Daq dog lu'elmoH} correct for "they caused the dog to enter the
> room" ?
>
> qunnoq
>
Voragh already discussed the part about {-Daq} being unnecessary with
{'el}. As for causatives with two objects, there are a few examples where
the thing being caused to do something (in this case, the dog) is marked
with {-vaD}. The thing being entered (or the object of the verb, generally
speaking) doesn't change its role in the sentence. The pattern seems to be
that if X causes Y to do (verb) to Z, the sentence is:
Y-vaD Z verb-moH X.
So the sentence you're looking for is {dogvaD pa' lu'elmoH}.
One canon example is {ghaHvaD quHDaj qawmoH} from Skybox card 20.
http://klingonska.org/canon/sbx-s19.html The English translation on the
card doesn't quite match the Klingon, which means something like "It causes
him [Worf] to remember his heritage", with {ghaH} marked with {-vaD}.
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On M=
on, Aug 21, 2017 at 9:43 AM, mayqel qunenoS <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=
=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>></=
span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0=
px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"auto">Is the {pa'Daq dog lu'elmoH} correct for "they cause=
d the dog to enter the room" ?<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"=
auto">qunnoq<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br><div>Voragh already discu=
ssed the part about {-Daq} being unnecessary with {'el}.=20
As for causatives with two objects, there are a few examples where the=20
thing being caused to do something (in this case, the dog) is marked=20
with {-vaD}. The thing being entered (or the object of the verb, generally =
speaking) doesn't change its role in the sentence. The pattern seems to=
be that if X causes Y to do (verb) to Z, the sentence is:<br><br></div><di=
v>Y-vaD Z verb-moH X.<br><br>So the sentence you're looking for is {dog=
vaD pa' lu'elmoH}.</div><div><br></div>One canon example is {ghaHva=
D quHDaj qawmoH} from Skybox card 20. <a href=3D"http://klingonska.org/cano=
n/sbx-s19.html" target=3D"_blank">http://klingonska.org/canon/<wbr>sbx-s19.=
html</a> The English translation on the card doesn't quite match the Kl=
ingon, which means something like "It causes him [Worf] to remember hi=
s heritage", with {ghaH} marked with {-vaD}.<br></div></div><br></div>=
</div>
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