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daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (SuStel)
Thu Aug 17 11:57:10 2017
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 11:56:36 -0400
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On 8/17/2017 11:36 AM, Lieven wrote:
> On 8/17/2017 11:18 AM, De'vID wrote:
>>> It might be that Kruge and Valkris come from a region of the Empire
>>> where speaking like this is common.
>
> Am 17.08.2017 um 17:27 schrieb SuStel:
>> I think the intention was that this is colloquial standard Klingon,
>> and the stuff we got later, like the stuff in /The Klingon Way,/ is
>> formal standard Klingon. We're just fuddy-duddies.
>
> Another thing to note is that military speach in Klingon is
> abbreviated very often, like {baH} instead of {yIbaH}, so {matHa',
> DoS: 'entepray'} is just perrfectly brief, saying nothing unncecessary.
As chapter seven of TKD notes, Clipped Klingon is used commonly in both
military and everyday Klingon. "Extensively" is the word Okrand uses.
The preceding grammatical sketch describes “proper” Klingon, that
is, Klingon as it is taught in Klingon schools or to non-Klingons.
In actual day-to-day use, however, spoken Klingon may vary somewhat
from its “proper” form, usually by leaving some elements out. This
abbreviated form of speaking, called Clipped Klingon by Klingon
grammarians, is heard quite frequently in military contexts where
quick—rather than eloquent—communication is deemed a virtue.
Probably for similar reasons, Clipped Klingon is used quite
extensively in all walks of Klingon life.
So Clipped Klingon is not eloquent, but it is common and used for quick
communication. Don't offer Clipped Klingon when people ask for
inscriptions, tattoos, or song lyrics, but do use it when speaking casually.
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/17/2017 11:36 AM, Lieven wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:aa0ee0a8-6d20-76f0-a251-b5a8bd69698d@gmx.de">On
8/17/2017 11:18 AM, De'vID wrote:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite" style="color: #000000;">
<blockquote type="cite" style="color: #000000;">It might be that
Kruge and Valkris come from a region of the Empire
<br>
where speaking like this is common.
<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<br>
Am 17.08.2017 um 17:27 schrieb SuStel:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite" style="color: #000000;">I think the
intention was that this is colloquial standard Klingon, and the
stuff we got later, like the stuff in /The Klingon Way,/ is
formal standard Klingon. We're just fuddy-duddies.
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Another thing to note is that military speach in Klingon is
abbreviated very often, like {baH} instead of {yIbaH}, so {matHa',
DoS: 'entepray'} is just perrfectly brief, saying nothing
unncecessary.
</blockquote>
<p>As chapter seven of TKD notes, Clipped Klingon is used commonly
in both military and everyday Klingon. "Extensively" is the word
Okrand uses.</p>
<blockquote>
<p>The preceding grammatical sketch describes “proper” Klingon,
that is, Klingon as it is taught in Klingon schools or to
non-Klingons. In actual day-to-day use, however, spoken Klingon
may vary somewhat from its “proper” form, usually by leaving
some elements out. This abbreviated form of speaking, called
Clipped Klingon by Klingon grammarians, is heard quite
frequently in military contexts where quick—rather than
eloquent—communication is deemed a virtue. Probably for similar
reasons, Clipped Klingon is used quite extensively in all walks
of Klingon life.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>So Clipped Klingon is not eloquent, but it is common and used for
quick communication. Don't offer Clipped Klingon when people ask
for inscriptions, tattoos, or song lyrics, but do use it when
speaking casually.<br>
</p>
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