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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] potlh De'
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (nIqolay Q)
Thu Aug 17 11:39:37 2017
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 11:39:32 -0400
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"Values" can mean *"*Principles or standards of behaviour; one's judgement
of what is important in life." (OED:
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/value)
{potlh} would imply the second half of that definition: things that are
important to Klingon families. Something like {ghob} "ethics, virtue" might
also work, but if you look at the rest of the card (
http://klingonska.org/canon/sbx-s13.html), it mentions things that might
not fall under "ethics" per se, such as the value of the family name.
On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 11:26 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
> kbop title:
> > tlhIngan toQDuj Duj De' potlh
> > klingon bird of prey general specifications
>
> Isn't here the {Duj} after the {toQDuj} redundant/weird/unnecessary ?
> {toQDuj} by itself means "bird of prey vessel"; so why place a {Duj} after
> it ?
>
> S13 title:
> > tlhIngan qorDu' potlh
> > Klingon Family Values
>
> I can't understand how the english translation results from this klingon
> sentence. All I get is "something consequential/important of klingon
> family".
>
> qunnoq
>
> On Aug 17, 2017 6:10 PM, "Steven Boozer" <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
>
> Possibly it's military jargon. It is an odd phrase, but I understand
> {potlh De'} as an "announcement" or a flash alert. (IIRC the message was
> about General Koord being taken hostage on Nimbus III. )
>
> Okrand has used {De' potlh} "important data/information" twice AFAIK:
>
> tlhIngan toQDuj Duj De' potlh
> Klingon Bird of Prey General Specifications (KBoP title)
>
> Marc Okrand jIH. De' potlh vIlab.
> I am Marc Okrand and I bring you an important message. ('U'-MTK)
>
> and the noun {potlh} "consequential thing, something important" once:
>
> tlhIngan qorDu' potlh
> Klingon Family Values (S13 title)
>
> After ST5 came out, {QIn} "message" appeared in KGT and was subsequently
> used on the special reissue ST3 DVD case, though I don't know whether
> Okrand was involved:
>
> Qugh la'vaD QIn pav
> [Urgent message for Commander Kruge. (untranslated) ]
>
> --Voragh
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lieven
>
> While look at some canon phrases, I stumbled over a phrase from ST5:
>
> {yo'SeH yaHnIvvo' potlh De' wIHevtaH.}
> "We are receiving a priority message from Operations Command."
>
> I would have said {De' potlh} "important data" here.
> Is this an error, or is it just not much difference between "important
> data" and "data about something important"?
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>"Values" can mean <span class=3D"gmail-form=
-groups"><strong>"</strong></span><span class=3D"gmail-ind">Principles=
or standards of behaviour; one's judgement of what is important in lif=
e." (OED: <a href=3D"https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/valu=
e">https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/value</a>)<br><br></span></=
div><span class=3D"gmail-ind">{potlh} would imply the second half of that d=
efinition: things that are important to Klingon families. Something like {g=
hob} "ethics, virtue" might also work, but if you look at the res=
t of the card (<a href=3D"http://klingonska.org/canon/sbx-s13.html">http://=
klingonska.org/canon/sbx-s13.html</a>), it mentions things that might not f=
all under "ethics" per se, such as the value of the family name.<=
br></span><div><div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quot=
e">On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 11:26 AM, mayqel qunenoS <span dir=3D"ltr"><<=
a href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>=
></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px=
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><di=
v dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font=
-size:13.696px">kbop title:</span></div><span class=3D"gmail-"><div dir=3D"=
auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">> tlhIng=
an toQDuj Duj De' potlh</span></div></span><div dir=3D"auto"><span styl=
e=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">> klingon bird of prey g=
eneral specifications</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span=
style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">Isn't here the {Du=
j} after the {toQDuj} redundant/weird/unnecessary ? {toQDuj} by itself mean=
s "bird of prey vessel"; so why place a {Duj} after it ?</span></=
div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.69=
6px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-ser=
if;font-size:13.696px">S13 title:</span></div><span class=3D"gmail-"><div><=
span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">> tlhIngan qorD=
u' potlh</span><br style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">=
<span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">> Klingon Fami=
ly Values</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:13.696px"><br></span></font></div></span><div dir=3D"auto">=
<font face=3D"sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:13.696px">I can't un=
derstand how the english translation results from this klingon sentence. Al=
l I get is "something consequential/important of klingon family".=
</span></font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif"><span style=
=3D"font-size:13.696px"><br></span></font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font fac=
e=3D"sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:13.696px">qunnoq<br></span></font=
><div><div class=3D"gmail-h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra" dir=3D"auto"><br><=
div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Aug 17, 2017 6:10 PM, "Steven Boozer"=
; <<a href=3D"mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu" target=3D"_blank">sboozer@uch=
icago.edu</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
-m_-5227938560839560303quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left=
:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Possibly it's military ja=
rgon.=C2=A0 It is an odd phrase, but I understand {potlh De'} as an &qu=
ot;announcement" or a flash alert.=C2=A0 (IIRC the message was about G=
eneral Koord being taken hostage on Nimbus III. )<br>
<br>
Okrand has used {De' potlh} "important data/information" twic=
e AFAIK:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 tlhIngan toQDuj Duj De' potlh<br>
=C2=A0 Klingon Bird of Prey General Specifications=C2=A0 (KBoP title)<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 Marc Okrand jIH.=C2=A0 De' potlh vIlab.<br>
=C2=A0 I am Marc Okrand and I bring you an important message. ('U'-=
MTK)<br>
<br>
and the noun {potlh} "consequential thing,=C2=A0 something important&q=
uot; once:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 tlhIngan qorDu' potlh<br>
=C2=A0 Klingon Family Values=C2=A0 (S13 title)<br>
<br>
After ST5 came out, {QIn} "message" appeared in KGT and was subse=
quently used on the special reissue ST3 DVD case, though I don't know w=
hether Okrand was involved:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 Qugh la'vaD QIn pav<br>
=C2=A0 [Urgent message for Commander Kruge. (untranslated) ]<br>
<br>
--Voragh<br>
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-5227938560839560303quoted-text"><br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Lieven<br>
<br>
While look at some canon phrases, I stumbled over a phrase from ST5:<br>
<br>
{yo'SeH yaHnIvvo' potlh De' wIHevtaH.}<br>
"We are receiving a priority message from Operations Command."<br=
>
<br>
I would have said {De' potlh} "important data" here.<br>
Is this an error, or is it just not much difference between "important=
data" and "data about something important"?<br>
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