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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] potlh De'
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Thu Aug 17 11:26:27 2017
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From: mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 18:26:23 +0300
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kbop title:
> tlhIngan toQDuj Duj De' potlh
> klingon bird of prey general specifications
Isn't here the {Duj} after the {toQDuj} redundant/weird/unnecessary ?
{toQDuj} by itself means "bird of prey vessel"; so why place a {Duj} after
it ?
S13 title:
> tlhIngan qorDu' potlh
> Klingon Family Values
I can't understand how the english translation results from this klingon
sentence. All I get is "something consequential/important of klingon
family".
qunnoq
On Aug 17, 2017 6:10 PM, "Steven Boozer" <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
Possibly it's military jargon. It is an odd phrase, but I understand
{potlh De'} as an "announcement" or a flash alert. (IIRC the message was
about General Koord being taken hostage on Nimbus III. )
Okrand has used {De' potlh} "important data/information" twice AFAIK:
tlhIngan toQDuj Duj De' potlh
Klingon Bird of Prey General Specifications (KBoP title)
Marc Okrand jIH. De' potlh vIlab.
I am Marc Okrand and I bring you an important message. ('U'-MTK)
and the noun {potlh} "consequential thing, something important" once:
tlhIngan qorDu' potlh
Klingon Family Values (S13 title)
After ST5 came out, {QIn} "message" appeared in KGT and was subsequently
used on the special reissue ST3 DVD case, though I don't know whether
Okrand was involved:
Qugh la'vaD QIn pav
[Urgent message for Commander Kruge. (untranslated) ]
--Voragh
-----Original Message-----
From: Lieven
While look at some canon phrases, I stumbled over a phrase from ST5:
{yo'SeH yaHnIvvo' potlh De' wIHevtaH.}
"We are receiving a priority message from Operations Command."
I would have said {De' potlh} "important data" here.
Is this an error, or is it just not much difference between "important
data" and "data about something important"?
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<div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;f=
ont-size:13.696px">kbop title:</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D=
"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">> tlhIngan toQDuj Duj De'=
; potlh</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif=
;font-size:13.696px">> klingon bird of prey general specifications</span=
></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13=
.696px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-=
serif;font-size:13.696px">Isn't here the {Duj} after the {toQDuj} redun=
dant/weird/unnecessary ? {toQDuj} by itself means "bird of prey vessel=
"; so why place a {Duj} after it ?</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span=
style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div =
dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">S13 =
title:</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.=
696px">> tlhIngan qorDu' potlh</span><br style=3D"font-family:sans-s=
erif;font-size:13.696px"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13=
.696px">> Klingon Family Values</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=
=3D"sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:13.696px"><br></span></font></div>=
<div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:13.696=
px">I can't understand how the english translation results from this kl=
ingon sentence. All I get is "something consequential/important of kli=
ngon family".</span></font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-=
serif"><span style=3D"font-size:13.696px"><br></span></font></div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:13.696px">qunn=
oq<br></span></font><div class=3D"gmail_extra" dir=3D"auto"><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">On Aug 17, 2017 6:10 PM, "Steven Boozer" <<a =
href=3D"mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu">sboozer@uchicago.edu</a>> wrote:<br=
type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8e=
x;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Possibly it's military j=
argon.=C2=A0 It is an odd phrase, but I understand {potlh De'} as an &q=
uot;announcement" or a flash alert.=C2=A0 (IIRC the message was about =
General Koord being taken hostage on Nimbus III. )<br>
<br>
Okrand has used {De' potlh} "important data/information" twic=
e AFAIK:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 tlhIngan toQDuj Duj De' potlh<br>
=C2=A0 Klingon Bird of Prey General Specifications=C2=A0 (KBoP title)<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 Marc Okrand jIH.=C2=A0 De' potlh vIlab.<br>
=C2=A0 I am Marc Okrand and I bring you an important message. ('U'-=
MTK)<br>
<br>
and the noun {potlh} "consequential thing,=C2=A0 something important&q=
uot; once:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 tlhIngan qorDu' potlh<br>
=C2=A0 Klingon Family Values=C2=A0 (S13 title)<br>
<br>
After ST5 came out, {QIn} "message" appeared in KGT and was subse=
quently used on the special reissue ST3 DVD case, though I don't know w=
hether Okrand was involved:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 Qugh la'vaD QIn pav<br>
=C2=A0 [Urgent message for Commander Kruge. (untranslated) ]<br>
<br>
--Voragh<br>
<div class=3D"quoted-text"><br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Lieven<br>
<br>
While look at some canon phrases, I stumbled over a phrase from ST5:<br>
<br>
{yo'SeH yaHnIvvo' potlh De' wIHevtaH.}<br>
"We are receiving a priority message from Operations Command."<br=
>
<br>
I would have said {De' potlh} "important data" here.<br>
Is this an error, or is it just not much difference between "important=
data" and "data about something important"?<br>
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