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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Proper use of adverbial {je}
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Tue Aug 15 11:49:01 2017
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From: mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 18:48:58 +0300
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De'vID:
> What do you mean by "wrong"? It's grammatically correct. It
> just doesn't mean what you want it to mean.
So, the {Su'IH. 'ej Suwoch je} is grammatically correct, but the {je} can't
be used in this way to say "you are beautiful, and you (the same group) are
also tall", without a reference/comparison being made to another group,
which is also tall. Right ?
qunnoq
On 15 Aug 2017 6:22 pm, "De'vID" <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com> wrote:
On 15 August 2017 at 17:10, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
> So, all this means that the following use of {je}:
>
> {Su'IH. 'ej Suwoch je}
> You are beautiful. And you are also tall.
>
> is wrong ?
What do you mean by "wrong"? It's grammatically correct. It just
doesn't mean what you want it to mean.
Here's a context in which that sentence makes sense.
To group A: {SumoH 'ej Suwoch} "Y'all are ugly. Y'all are tall."
To group B: {Su'IH 'ej Suwoch je} "Y'all are beautiful. Y'all are tall
too." That is, "Y'all (in addition to people in group A) are tall".
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<div dir=3D"auto">De'vID:<div dir=3D"auto">>=C2=A0<span style=3D"fon=
t-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">What do you mean by "wrong&quo=
t;? It's grammatically correct. It</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span =
style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">> just=C2=A0</span><=
span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">doesn't mean w=
hat you want it to mean.</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-=
family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><s=
pan style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">So, the {Su'IH.=
'ej Suwoch je} is grammatically correct, but the {je} can't be use=
d in this way to say "you are beautiful, and you (the same group) are =
also tall", without a reference/comparison being made to another group=
, which is also tall. Right ?</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"=
font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"aut=
o"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">qunnoq</span><=
/div><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra" dir=3D"auto"><br><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote">On 15 Aug 2017 6:22 pm, "De'vID" <<a href=3D"mailto:d=
e.vid.jonpin@gmail.com">de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"a=
ttribution"><blockquote class=3D"quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"quoted-text">On 15 Augus=
t 2017 at 17:10, mayqel qunenoS <<a href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com">mi=
hkoun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> So, all this means that the following use of {je}:<br>
><br>
> {Su'IH. 'ej Suwoch je}<br>
> You are beautiful. And you are also tall.<br>
><br>
> is wrong ?<br>
<br>
</div>What do you mean by "wrong"? It's grammatically correct=
. It just<br>
doesn't mean what you want it to mean.<br>
<br>
Here's a context in which that sentence makes sense.<br>
To group A: {SumoH 'ej Suwoch} "Y'all are ugly. Y'all are =
tall."<br>
To group B: {Su'IH 'ej Suwoch je} "Y'all are beautiful. Y&=
#39;all are tall<br>
too." That is, "Y'all (in addition to people in group A) are =
tall".<br>
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