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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Klingon Word of the Day: cheH
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (SuStel)
Mon Aug 14 15:15:10 2017
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On 8/14/2017 3:08 PM, Lieven wrote:
> Am 14.08.2017 um 20:58 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:
>> So, with regards to the "act against" translation of {magh}, we can't
>> be certain that it's 100% 'oqranD-approved, right ?
>
> If you take it very exact, than yes.
>
> It seems obvious that the English was there first. When okrand had to
> tanslate it, he searched for a suitable word. Since there was no word
> meaning "act against", he probably thought like "that's quite the same
> as betraying someone", so he picked that word instead. It didn't
> really change the meaning of the phrase.
>
> It's like many people like to use the word {targh} for "dog". It's not
> correct, but conveys the idea.
>
> Anyway, I would stick to the first definition magh = "betray" and
> regard the other translation as a clue on how one could use the word.
> After all, working against somebody that you are supposed to help is
> betraying. But {magh} is not work against /anyone/.
We can't take either position with certainty.
Okrand defined *magh* as /betray./ But he used *magh* in place of /act
against/ in one translation, without comment. Does that mean *magh*
means all the things both /betray/ and /act against/ mean? We don't
know. But odds are good that if you want to translate /act against,/ you
might find that *magh* is a good fit, regardless of whether that's
actually an exact translation.
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/14/2017 3:08 PM, Lieven wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:635c175f-c227-cb3e-2f08-0c519dc284b8@gmx.de">Am
14.08.2017 um 20:58 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite" style="color: #000000;">So, with regards
to the "act against" translation of {magh}, we can't be certain
that it's 100% 'oqranD-approved, right ?
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
If you take it very exact, than yes.
<br>
<br>
It seems obvious that the English was there first. When okrand had
to tanslate it, he searched for a suitable word. Since there was
no word meaning "act against", he probably thought like "that's
quite the same as betraying someone", so he picked that word
instead. It didn't really change the meaning of the phrase.
<br>
<br>
It's like many people like to use the word {targh} for "dog". It's
not correct, but conveys the idea.
<br>
<br>
Anyway, I would stick to the first definition magh = "betray" and
regard the other translation as a clue on how one could use the
word. After all, working against somebody that you are supposed to
help is betraying. But {magh} is not work against <i
class="moz-txt-slash"><span class="moz-txt-tag">/</span>anyone<span
class="moz-txt-tag">/</span></i>.
</blockquote>
<p>We can't take either position with certainty.</p>
<p>Okrand defined <b>magh</b> as <i>betray.</i> But he used <b>magh</b>
in place of <i>act against</i> in one translation, without
comment. Does that mean <b>magh</b> means all the things both <i>betray</i>
and <i>act against</i> mean? We don't know. But odds are good
that if you want to translate <i>act against,</i> you might find
that <b>magh</b> is a good fit, regardless of whether that's
actually an exact translation.<br>
</p>
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