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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Reversing the order of {-vo'}
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Lieven)
Thu Aug 10 12:30:51 2017
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From: Lieven <levinius@gmx.de>
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 18:30:54 +0200
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Am 10.08.2017 um 18:13 schrieb SuStel:
> You wrote:
>
> *[vaS'a']vo' [tera'Daq DIvI' ra'ghom qach]Daq chegh**
> **[tera'Daq DIvI' ra'ghom qachDaq vaS'a']vo' chegh*
>
> Your brackets show locatives and froms affecting entire phrases that
> include other locatives or froms. This is exactly what the noun-noun
> restriction prohibits. You can't say this any more than you can say
> *mIvDaq yIHvo'*//to mean /from the tribble [that is] in the helmet./ The
> phrase **mIvDaq yIH* itself is illegal. A syntactic noun cannot be the
> genitive to a head noun. At best, *mIvDaq yIHvo'* can mean /in the
> helmet, from the tribble,/ but there is absolutely no connection (no
> genitive relationship) between the tribble and the helmet. The two words
> might happen to sit next to each other in a larger sentence, but they
> have no direct relationship.
I agree with SuStel. (I really do)
There is this canon example {naDevvo' vaS'a'Daq majaH} which really is a
list of adverbials, not a noun-noun construction. You may split it:
{naDevvo' majaH} 'ej {vaS'a'Daq majaH}.
I think one may even say that the one locative refers to the following
sentence:
{naDevvo' [vaS'a'Daq majaHlaH]}
or with SuStel's cat:
{mIvDaq [yIHvo' jIghoS]} - It means "In the hat, I go away from the cat"
but not "I go away from the [cat-in-the-hat]"
What your mistake was, is using multiple {-Daq} in the sense of "in/at"
{tera'Daq DIvI' ra'ghom qachDaq vaS'a'} "from [Hall in [house in earth]]"
--
Lieven L. Litaer
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Grammarian of the KLI
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