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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Misty mountains cold...
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (=?UTF-8?Q?Aur=C3=A9lie_Demonchaux?)
Thu Aug 10 11:35:57 2017
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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 17:35:52 +0200
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muDuQ bomvam !
tlhIngan Hol jatlhwI'vaD Damughta' 'e' vIQuch. majQa' !
vIbomchu'meH bomvam vIghojlI' ;)
On the other hand, I agree with SuStel on rhyming in Klingon - I have a
couple of songs I'd like to translate at some point, but it does feel like
mixing and matching suffixes at the end of each line...
It would be great if at some point we had access to some cannon, full
Klingon songs, so we might figure out the rules and best practices for
klingon songwriting.
2017-08-10 15:36 GMT+02:00 SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name>:
> On 8/9/2017 6:40 PM, Jeremy Silver wrote:
>
> A literal translation (without attempting to reproduce the poetry):
>
> *vI'laS HuDmey bIr Hay HopDaq
> wutlh pa'mey jaQDaq DIS qanDaq
> 'IDnar qol'om wov wInejmeH malengnISchoH qaSpa' jajlo'.*
>
>
> That's a very good start I think.
>
> But it's not merely poetry, it's a song that needs to rhyme and fit the music.
>
> Poetry includes rhyme and meter. I was explicitly translating into prose.
>
> I actively dislike rhyming in Klingon, since you're mostly just repeating
> or rhyming suffixes. I prefer alliterating, though making sure the stress
> falls on the alliterating syllables is tough with *qaghwI'* stealing the
> stress all the time.
>
> I have yet to find a poetic form that especially suits Klingon.
>
> --
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default"><div class=3D"gmail_default">=
<font face=3D"times new roman, serif">muDuQ bomvam !</font></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default"><font face=3D"times new roman, serif"><br></font></div><=
div class=3D"gmail_default"><font face=3D"times new roman, serif">tlhIngan =
Hol jatlhwI'vaD Damughta' 'e' vIQuch. majQa' !</font></=
div><div class=3D"gmail_default"><font face=3D"times new roman, serif"><br>=
</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default"><font face=3D"times new roman, se=
rif">vIbomchu'meH bomvam vIghojlI' ;)</font></div><div class=3D"gma=
il_default"><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_default"><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br>=
</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default"><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, s=
ans-serif">On the other hand, I agree with SuStel on rhyming in Klingon - I=
have a couple of songs I'd like to translate at some point, but it doe=
s feel like mixing and matching suffixes at the end of each line...</font><=
/div><div class=3D"gmail_default"><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-seri=
f"><br></font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default"><font face=3D"arial, helve=
tica, sans-serif">It would be great if at some point we had access to some =
cannon, full Klingon songs, so we might figure out the rules and best pract=
ices for klingon songwriting.</font></div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_e=
xtra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2017-08-10 15:36 GMT+02:00 SuStel <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" target=3D"_blank"=
>sustel@trimboli.name</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class=3D"m_3297745658066491760moz-cite-prefix">On 8/9/2017 6:40 PM=
, Jeremy Silver
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"color:#000000">
<pre>A literal translation (without attempting to reproduce the poe=
try):
*vI'laS HuDmey bIr Hay HopDaq
wutlh pa'mey jaQDaq DIS qanDaq
'IDnar qol'om wov wInejmeH malengnISchoH qaSpa' jajlo'.*
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre>That's a very good start I think.
But it's not merely poetry, it's a song that needs to rhyme and fit=
the music.</pre>
</blockquote>
</span><p>Poetry includes rhyme and meter. I was explicitly translating
into prose.</p>
<p>I actively dislike rhyming in Klingon, since you're mostly just
repeating or rhyming suffixes. I prefer alliterating, though
making sure the stress falls on the alliterating syllables is
tough with <b>qaghwI'</b> stealing the stress all the time.</p>
<p>I have yet to find a poetic form that especially suits Klingon.<span=
class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
</font></span></p><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">
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SuStel
<a class=3D"m_3297745658066491760moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"http://trim=
boli.name" target=3D"_blank">http://trimboli.name</a></pre>
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