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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Reversing the order of {-vo'}
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Wed Aug 9 11:59:22 2017
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From: mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2017 18:59:17 +0300
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Oh, sorry.. my bad (as americans say). I failed to adequately formulate the
question..
So, here goes again..
For a moment let us forget where and when the phrase was written. Focusing
only on the phrase and the current grammar, with regards to the usage of
the verbs of movement, then..
If we write {vaS'a'Daq naDevvo' majaHlaH'a'}, then does that mean "can we
get to the great hall from here", or "are we able to go away from here,
with the going taking place in the vicinity of the great hall, but in a
direction away from here" ?
qunnoq
On 9 Aug 2017 6:53 pm, "SuStel" <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
> On 8/9/2017 11:40 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
>
> ok, I understand the change of meaning with regards to the aforementioned
> {chegh} example.
>
> But now, lets look at another example..
>
> PK:
> *> naDevvo' vaS'a'Daq majaHlaH'a'** can we get to the Great Hall*
> *> from here?*
>
> If we wrote instead {vaS'a'Daq naDevvo' majaHlaH'a'}, then would that mean
> "can we get to the great hall from here", or "are we able to go away from
> here, with the going taking place in the vicinity of the great hall, but in
> a direction away from here" ?
>
> As I mentioned in another post today, that example was written before
> Okrand had come up with the "verbs of motion" thing, and it does not follow
> the rule.
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Oh, sorry.. my bad (as americans say). I failed to adequa=
tely formulate the question..<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=
So, here goes again..</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Fo=
r a moment let us forget where and when the phrase was written. Focusing on=
ly on the phrase and the current grammar, with regards to the usage of the =
verbs of movement, then..</div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family=
:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span st=
yle=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">If we write {vaS'a=
9;Daq naDevvo' majaHlaH'a'}, then does that mean "can we g=
et to the great hall from here", or "are we able to go away from =
here, with the going taking place in the vicinity of the great hall, but in=
a direction away from here" ?</span><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span=
style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div =
dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">qunn=
oq</span></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On 9 Aug 2017 6:53 pm, "SuStel" <<a href=3D"mailto:sustel@=
trimboli.name">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution">=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class=3D"m_-3225916401466565971moz-cite-prefix">On 8/9/2017 11:40 =
AM, mayqel qunenoS
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"auto">ok, I understand the change of meaning with
regards to the aforementioned {chegh} example.</div>
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">But now, lets look at another example..</div>
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div>PK:
<div dir=3D"auto"><b style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.6=
96px">>
naDevvo' vaS'a'Daq majaHlaH'a'</b><i style=
=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">=C2=A0can we
get to the Great Hall</i></div>
<div dir=3D"auto"><i style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.6=
96px">> from
here?</i><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">If we wrote instead
{vaS'a'Daq naDevvo' majaHlaH'a'}, then would =
that mean "can we
get to the great hall from here", or "are we able to go=
away
from here, with the going taking place in the vicinity of the
great hall, but in a direction away from here" ?</span></div=
>
</blockquote>
<p>As I mentioned in another post today, that example was written
before Okrand had come up with the "verbs of motion" thing,=
and it
does not follow the rule.<br>
</p>
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