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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Hoch and HochHom referring to things
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (SuStel)
Wed Aug 9 10:04:08 2017
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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2017 10:03:34 -0400
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On 8/9/2017 9:46 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
> We know we can use the {Hoch} and {HochHom} on their own (without
> placing them next to/after nouns), to mean "all" and "almost all" the
> people/beings.
>
> Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand it, we can use
> {Hoch} and {HochHom} on their own, meaning "all" and "almost all" the
> things.
>
> So, and if my last assumption is correct, are there any canon examples
> of the latter use of {Hoch} and {HochHom} ?
Lots of 'em. *Hoch* gets used all the time by itself in superlative
constructions: *la' jaq law' Hoch jaq puS* /the commander is the boldest
of all/ (TKD). But it has also been used as a normal noun: *may' ngeb
tIv Hoch*/everyone enjoys a mock battle/ (CK). I don't remember any
standalone instances of *HochHom,* though something is nagging my mind
about that. But given its translation, /most, greater part,/ I don't see
any reason it can't be used as a standalone noun to mean exactly that:
*may' ngebHa' tIv HochHom*/almost everyone enjoys a real battle./
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/9/2017 9:46 AM, mayqel qunenoS
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAP7F2c+U1swfeh8cm63oeNkPOAoJS029dr-tMJyoq-YzzrtFew@mail.gmail.com">We
know we can use the {Hoch} and {HochHom} on their own (without
placing them next to/after nouns), to mean "all" and "almost all"
the people/beings.
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand
it, we can use <span style="font-family:sans-serif">{Hoch} and
{HochHom} on their own, meaning </span><span
style="font-family:sans-serif">"all" and "almost all" the
things.</span></div>
<div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif"><br>
</span></div>
<div dir="auto"><font face="sans-serif">So, and if my last
assumption is correct, are there any canon examples of the
latter use of </font><span style="font-family:sans-serif">{Hoch}
and {HochHom} ?</span></div>
</blockquote>
<p>Lots of 'em. <b>Hoch</b> gets used all the time by itself in
superlative constructions: <b>la' jaq law' Hoch jaq puS</b> <i>the
commander is the boldest of all</i> (TKD). But it has also been
used as a normal noun: <b>may' ngeb tIv Hoch</b><i> everyone
enjoys a mock battle</i> (CK). I don't remember any standalone
instances of <b>HochHom,</b> though something is nagging my mind
about that. But given its translation, <i>most, greater part,</i>
I don't see any reason it can't be used as a standalone noun to
mean exactly that: <b>may' ngebHa' tIv HochHom</b><i> almost
everyone enjoys a real battle.</i><br>
</p>
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