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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] We got words for a Spiral,
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Wed Aug 9 08:33:20 2017
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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2017 15:33:15 +0300
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SuStel:
> I'd probably do this as *Nibia** maSmey HayDaq** to the area *
*> beyond Nibia's moons.*
At the notes given at the last qep'a', the {Hay} was explained as "normally
used with a point of reference "beyond X"".
So, why did you write {nibia maSmey HayDaq} instead of {Hay nibia
maSmeyDaq} ?
qunnoq
On 9 Aug 2017 2:27 pm, "SuStel" <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
> On 8/9/2017 5:57 AM, Jeremy Silver wrote:
>
> {mubechmoH ghaH'e'. mubechmoH 'ej vIghaj.
> ghaH vIjeghpa' **Nibia** maSmey retlhDaq, **Antares** vertaHbogh vIHtaHghach'a'
> retlhDaq, ghe''or qulmey retlhDaq je vItlha'!}
>
>
> *mubechmoH ghaH'e'.*
>
> Khan's line is *He tasks me.* I've always assumed this refers to Kirk
> exiling Khan to Ceti Alpha V. *muvummoH.* I see no reason for the
> *ghaH'e'* here; it doesn't reflect the English original.
>
> *mubechmoH 'ej vIghaj.*
>
> There is no indication in this what you mean by *vIghaj.* It just means *I
> had/have/will have him/her/it.* I also don't know if the English
> idiomatic meaning of *get in my power* comes through, or the *therefore*
> sense of English *and.* I'd recast this whole thing as *muvummoH; vaj
> vIghatlh.*
>
> You put the *ghaH vIjeghpa'* at the beginning of the long sentence, but
> Khan put it at the end in his English. You should do the same to reflect
> his emphasis. Subordinate clauses can go on either side of the sentence.
>
> I don't think *jegh* means the *let go* sense of English *surrender;* it
> means *stop trying.* You could just say *jIjeghpa'* *before I give up,*
> or you could be more literal and say *nargh 'e' vIchaw'pa'** before I let
> him escape.*
>
> *Nibia** maSmey retlhDaq*
>
> Hey, I asked for *around* from Okrand and everybody said "But what does
> that mean?" This is what it means. *wejpuH.*
>
> I'd probably do this as *Nibia** maSmey HayDaq** to the area beyond
> Nibia's moons.*
>
> *Antares** vertaHbogh vIHtaHghach'a'*
>
> I'm not fond of this; it looks like a very forced *-ghach*. How about
> just saying *Antares** mI'rab'a'?*
>
> The end result:
>
> *muvummoH. muvummoH; vaj vIghatlh. Nibia maSmey HayDaq, Antares mI'rab'a'
> HayDaq, ghe''or qul HayDaq je vItlha' jIjeghpa'.*
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">SuStel:<div dir=3D"auto">>=C2=A0<span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">I'd probably do this as=C2=A0</span=
><i style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><b>Nibia</b></i><b =
style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">=C2=A0maSmey HayDaq</b>=
<i style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">=C2=A0to the area=C2=
=A0</i></div><div dir=3D"auto"><i style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size=
:13.696px">> beyond Nibia's moons.</i></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span =
style=3D"font-family:sans-serif"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-family:sans-serif">At the notes given at the last qep'a=
9;, the {Hay} was explained as "normally used with a point of referenc=
e "beyond X"".</span><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=
=3D"font-family:sans-serif"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=
=3D"font-family:sans-serif">So, why did you write {nibia maSmey HayDaq} ins=
tead of {Hay nibia maSmeyDaq} ?</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=
=3D"font-family:sans-serif"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=
=3D"font-family:sans-serif">qunnoq</span></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_ex=
tra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 9 Aug 2017 2:27 pm, "SuStel&quo=
t; <<a href=3D"mailto:sustel@trimboli.name">sustel@trimboli.name</a>>=
wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">
<div class=3D"m_-8793363416475340418moz-cite-prefix">On 8/9/2017 5:57 A=
M, Jeremy Silver
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<pre>{mubechmoH ghaH'e'. mubechmoH 'ej vIghaj.
ghaH vIjeghpa' <b class=3D"m_-8793363416475340418moz-txt-star"><span cl=
ass=3D"m_-8793363416475340418moz-txt-tag">*</span>Nibia<span class=3D"m_-87=
93363416475340418moz-txt-tag">*</span></b> maSmey retlhDaq, <b class=3D"m_-=
8793363416475340418moz-txt-star"><span class=3D"m_-8793363416475340418moz-t=
xt-tag">*</span>Antares<span class=3D"m_-8793363416475340418moz-txt-tag">*<=
/span></b> vertaHbogh vIHtaHghach'a'=20
retlhDaq, ghe''or qulmey retlhDaq je vItlha'!}</pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
<p><b>mubechmoH ghaH'e'.</b></p>
<p>Khan's line is <i>He tasks me.</i> I've always assumed this
refers to Kirk exiling Khan to Ceti Alpha V. <b>muvummoH.</b> I
see no reason for the <b>ghaH'e'</b> here; it doesn't ref=
lect the
English original.<br>
</p>
<p><b>mubechmoH 'ej vIghaj.</b></p>
<p>There is no indication in this what you mean by <b>vIghaj.</b>
It just means <i>I had/have/will have him/her/it.</i> I also
don't know if the English idiomatic meaning of <i>get in my power=
</i>
comes through, or the <i>therefore</i> sense of English <i>and.</i>
I'd recast this whole thing as <b>muvummoH; vaj vIghatlh.</b></p>
<p>You put the <b>ghaH vIjeghpa'</b> at the beginning of the long
sentence, but Khan put it at the end in his English. You should do
the same to reflect his emphasis. Subordinate clauses can go on
either side of the sentence.</p>
<p>I don't think <b>jegh</b> means the <i>let go</i> sense of
English <i>surrender;</i> it means <i>stop trying.</i> You could
just say <b>jIjeghpa'</b> <i>before I give up,</i> or you could
be more literal and say <b>nargh 'e' vIchaw'pa'</b><i=
> before I
let him escape.</i></p>
<p><i><b>Nibia</b></i><b> maSmey retlhDaq</b></p>
<p>Hey, I asked for <i>around</i> from Okrand and everybody said
"But what does that mean?" This is what it means. <b>wejpuH=
.</b></p>
<p>I'd probably do this as <i><b>Nibia</b></i><b> maSmey HayDaq</b>=
<i>
to the area beyond Nibia's moons.</i><br>
</p>
<p><i><b>Antares</b></i><b> vertaHbogh vIHtaHghach'a'</b></p>
<p>I'm not fond of this; it looks like a very forced <b>-ghach</b>.
How about just saying <i><b>Antares</b></i><b> mI'rab'a'?=
</b></p>
<p>The end result:</p>
<p><b>muvummoH. muvummoH; vaj vIghatlh. <i>Nibia</i> maSmey HayDaq,
<i>Antares</i> mI'rab'a' HayDaq, ghe''or qul Ha=
yDaq je vItlha'
jIjeghpa'.</b><br>
</p>
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