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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Can the {'ar} be used on its own ?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Tue Aug 8 09:27:32 2017
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From: mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2017 16:27:29 +0300
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voragh:
> The only prescriptions WRT {=E2=80=99ar}
What is WRT ?
qunnoq
On 8 Aug 2017 4:16 pm, "Steven Boozer" <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
> Every example I know of has {=E2=80=98ar} following a singular noun, but=
I don=E2=80=99t
> see why not =E2=80=93 as long as it=E2=80=99s clear which noun you=E2=80=
=99re discussing at the
> moment =E2=80=93 at least informally. In conversation question words are=
often
> used by themselves in sentence fragments. (E.g. =E2=80=9CSome officers we=
re shot
> for defying orders.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CReally!? Where? How many?=E2=80=
=9D) Formal Klingon may
> require that the noun be stated every time.
>
> The only prescriptions WRT {=E2=80=99ar} =E2=80=9C*how many*? *how much*=
?=E2=80=9D are 1. that
> it follows (i.e. not precedes) the noun to which it refers, and 2. that i=
t
> can never follow a noun with a plural suffix (see TKD p.70).
>
> --Voragh
>
>
>
>
>
> *On Behalf Of *mayqel qunenoS
>
> Can the {'ar} be used on its own, or is it absolutely necessary to always
> follow a noun ?
>
>
>
> And because it is almost certain, that someone will say "if it doesn't
> follow a noun, then how will the reader know how many of what/who you
> inquire about ?".
>
>
>
> Then I will reply saying, that it is possible for the context of the text
> to specify what it is what we are inquiring about, without repeating it
> again.
>
>
>
> If for instance, the text speaks of a number of officers defying orders,
> then can we say:
>
>
>
> {HeQQo' 'ar ?}
>
> How many refused to comply ?
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">voragh:<div dir=3D"auto">>=C2=A0<span style=3D"color:r=
gb(31,73,125);font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:15.6933px">The only =
prescriptions WRT {=E2=80=99ar}</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=
=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:calibri,sans-serif;font-size:15.6933px=
"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif"=
>What is WRT ?</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:calibr=
i,sans-serif;font-size:15.6933px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span =
style=3D"font-family:sans-serif"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-family:sans-serif">qunnoq</span></div></div><div class=3D"gmai=
l_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 8 Aug 2017 4:16 pm, "Steven=
Boozer" <<a href=3D"mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu">sboozer@uchicago.=
edu</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72">
<div class=3D"m_-2892969242359845140WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Every example I know of=C2=A0 has {=
=E2=80=98ar} following a singular noun, but I don=E2=80=99t see why not =E2=
=80=93 as long as it=E2=80=99s clear which noun you=E2=80=99re discussing a=
t the moment =E2=80=93 at
least informally.=C2=A0 In conversation question words are often used by t=
hemselves in sentence fragments. (E.g. =E2=80=9CSome
</span>officers were shot for defying orders.<span style=3D"font-size:11.0p=
t;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">=E2=80=9D =E2=
=80=9CReally!?=C2=A0 Where?=C2=A0 How many?=E2=80=9D)=C2=A0 Formal Klingon =
may require that the noun be stated every time.
<br>
<br>
The only prescriptions WRT {=E2=80=99ar} =C2=A0=E2=80=9C</span><i><span sty=
le=3D"font-family:Courier">how many</span></i><span style=3D"font-family:Co=
urier">?
<i>how much</i>?=E2=80=9D are 1. that it follows (i.e. not precedes) the no=
un to which it refers, and 2. that it can never follow a noun with a plural=
suffix (see TKD p.70).<br>
<br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans=
-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">--Voragh<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"=
;Calibri",sans-serif">On Behalf Of
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
sans-serif">mayqel qunenoS<br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Can the {'ar} be used on its own, or is it absol=
utely necessary to always follow a noun ?<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">And because it is almost certain, that someone will =
say "if it doesn't follow a noun, then how will the reader know ho=
w many of what/who you inquire about ?".<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Then I will reply saying, that it is possible for th=
e context of the text to specify what it is what we are inquiring about, wi=
thout repeating it again.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">If for instance, the text speaks of a number of offi=
cers defying orders, then can we say:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">{HeQQo' 'ar ?}<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">How many refused to comply ?<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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