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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] 'Iv with type 5 noun suffixes
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Mon Aug 7 14:38:57 2017
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From: mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 21:38:54 +0300
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I think that as far as the {'Iv} is concerned, it is ok for it to bear type
5 suffixes.
As far as the {nuq} is concerned, although I don't think there would be any
ambiguity if someone for instance wrote {nuqmo'}, neverthless I wouldn't go
on adding type 5 suffixes, for no other reason than that it just looks too
weird.
Although, admittedly, the temptation of writing {nuqmo'}, {nuqvaD} and/or
{nuqvo'}, is just too great.
Perhaps, I won't be able to resist.. Sov 'Iv ? 'agh poH neH.. poH neH..
qunnoq
qunnoq
On 7 Aug 2017 5:44 pm, "Steven Boozer" <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
I know of no examples of {'Iv} taking any suffix, except for:
DevwI' ghaH 'Iv'e'?
(STID (deleted line])
This line was deleted from the final movie, however, so may not count as
official (i.e. published) canon.
I checked the paq'batlh and surprisingly could only find a single example
of {'Iv} (for those collecting them):
batlh SaqIH
qanra' puqloDpu'
'ej 'Iv ghaH nuvvam'e'
AFAIK the only other example of a question word with any suffix is:
Sojvetlh 'oH nuq'e'
What is that food? (PK)
Note that this is also with {-'e'} and may just be another example of
marking the subject of a "to be" sentence rather than permitting the wider
use of noun suffixes on question words. OTOH...
(TKD 6.4 p.69): The word for "where?", {nuqDaq}, is actually {nuq} "what?"
followed by the suffix {-Daq} "locative" ...
--Voragh
-----Original Message-----
From: On Behalf Of mayqel qunenoS
Can the {'Iv} bear type 5 noun suffixes ? Would the following be correct ?
'Ivmo' bISaQ ?
Because of who/whom did you cry ?
'IvvaD Soj Davutta' ?
For who/whom did you prepare the food ?
'Ivvo' bIqet ?
Away from who/whom do you run ?
'IvDaq vIghro' Danob ?
At who/whom will you give the cat ?
qama' tlhabmoH 'Iv'e' ?
Who (emphatic) released the prisoner ?
(I don't know the difference between who/whom, so I wrote both as possible
explanations)
qunnoq
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<div dir=3D"auto">I think that as far as the {'Iv} is concerned, it is =
ok for it to bear type 5 suffixes.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"a=
uto">As far as the {nuq} is concerned, although I don't think there wou=
ld be any ambiguity if someone for instance wrote {nuqmo'}, neverthless=
I wouldn't go on adding type 5 suffixes, for no other reason than that=
it just looks too weird.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto=
">Although, admittedly, the temptation of writing {nuqmo'}, {nuqvaD} an=
d/or {nuqvo'}, is just too great.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div=
dir=3D"auto">Perhaps, I won't be able to resist.. Sov 'Iv ? 'a=
gh poH neH.. poH neH..</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">q=
unnoq</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">qunnoq</div></div>=
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 7 Aug 2017 5:4=
4 pm, "Steven Boozer" <<a href=3D"mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu"=
>sboozer@uchicago.edu</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding=
-left:1ex">I know of no examples of {'Iv} taking any suffix, except for=
:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 DevwI' ghaH 'Iv'e'?<br>
=C2=A0 (STID (deleted line])<br>
<br>
This line was deleted from the final movie, however, so may not count as of=
ficial (i.e. published) canon.<br>
<br>
I checked the paq'batlh and surprisingly could only find a single examp=
le of {'Iv} (for those collecting them):<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 batlh SaqIH<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 qanra' puqloDpu'<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 'ej 'Iv ghaH nuvvam'e'<br>
<br>
AFAIK the only other example of a question word with any suffix is:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 Sojvetlh 'oH nuq'e'<br>
=C2=A0 What is that food?=C2=A0 (PK)<br>
<br>
Note that this is also with {-'e'} and may just be another example =
of marking the subject of a "to be" sentence rather than permitti=
ng the wider use of noun suffixes on question words.=C2=A0 OTOH...<br>
<br>
(TKD 6.4 p.69):=C2=A0 The word for "where?", {nuqDaq}, is actuall=
y {nuq} "what?" followed by the suffix {-Daq} "locative"=
; ...<br>
<br>
--Voragh<br>
<div class=3D"elided-text"><br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: On Behalf Of mayqel qunenoS<br>
Can the {'Iv} bear type 5 noun suffixes ? Would the following be correc=
t ?<br>
<br>
'Ivmo' bISaQ ?<br>
Because of who/whom did you cry ?<br>
<br>
'IvvaD Soj Davutta' ?<br>
For who/whom did you prepare the food ?<br>
<br>
'Ivvo' bIqet ?<br>
Away from who/whom do you run ?<br>
<br>
'IvDaq vIghro' Danob ?<br>
At who/whom will you give the cat ?<br>
<br>
qama' tlhabmoH 'Iv'e' ?<br>
Who (emphatic) released the prisoner ?<br>
<br>
(I don't know the difference between who/whom, so I wrote both as possi=
ble explanations)<br>
<br>
qunnoq<br>
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