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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Special forms of law' puS
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (SuStel)
Fri Aug 4 11:20:40 2017
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On 8/4/2017 10:56 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
> SuStel:
> > connotes negative quality
> > (connotes disparagement, seldom used)
>
> What is the difference between "connotes negative quality" and
> "connotes disparagement" ? I googled disparagement, (because I didn't
> know its meaning), and I got the synonyms of "devaluation, debasement,
> derogation".
>
> The way I understand the "connotes negative quality" and "connotes
> disparagement", with regards to the matter we are discussing is:
>
> If I want to say that the qagh is as dead as a stone (which is a
> negative quality) then I use {A Q *puS* B Q *puS}. *But if I want to
> say that the forehead of someone's mother is smooth as a peach, and I
> want the phrase to have the maximum insulting effect, then I will use
> {A Q *puS* B Q *rap}. *And maybe, in the qagh example, if I want to
> insult the chef who ccoked it, I will use again {A Q *puS* B Q *rap}
> *instead of the {A Q *puS* B Q *puS*}*. *Or is it that the
> "disparagement" concerns only the occupant of slot A, and not those in
> direct relation to him as well ?
> *
> *
> Am I right ?
Disparagement is insult; negativity just means something is not good.
*qagh let puS nagh let puS
*/the qagh is as hard as a stone /(so you should improve your recipe)
*qagh let puS nagh let rap
*/the qagh is as hard as a stone/ (you incompetent chef!)
When I wrote "connotes positive/negative quality," I suppose what I
really should have said is "used with positive/negative qualities."
You'll use the *law'/law'* form when you're saying A has an much of the
positive quality Q as B; the *puS/puS* version when you're saying A has
as much of the negative quality Q as B.
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/4/2017 10:56 AM, mayqel qunenoS
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAP7F2cJD_rH76jycb6M=pcLKyQ-O2D8hSLimEdqGMcSE9RgN0w@mail.gmail.com">SuStel:
<div>> <span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">connotes
negative quality</span></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">> </span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">(connotes
disparagement, seldom used)</span></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>What is the difference between "<span
style="font-size:12.8px">connotes negative quality" and "</span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">connotes
disparagement" ? </span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">I googled
disparagement, (because I didn't know its meaning), and I got
the synonyms of "devaluation, debasement, derogation".</span></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">The way I
understand the </span>"<span style="font-size:12.8px">connotes
negative quality" and "</span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">connotes
disparagement", with regards to the matter we are discussing
is: </span></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">If I want
to say that the qagh is as dead as a stone (which is a
negative quality) then I use {</span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">A Q </span><b
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">puS</b><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"> B Q </span><b
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">puS}. </b><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">But if I want to
say that the forehead of someone's mother is smooth as a
peach, and I want the phrase to have the maximum insulting
effect, then I will use {</span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">A Q </span><b
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">puS</b><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"> B Q </span><b
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">rap}. </b><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">And maybe, in the
qagh example, if I want to insult the chef who ccoked it, I
will use again </span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">{</span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">A Q </span><b
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">puS</b><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"> B Q </span><b
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">rap} </b><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">instead of the </span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">{</span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">A Q </span><b
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">puS</b><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"> B Q </span><b
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">puS</b><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">}</span><b
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">. </b><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">Or is it that the
"disparagement" concerns only the occupant of slot A, and not
those in direct relation to him as well ?</span></div>
<div><b style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><br>
</b></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">Am I right
?</span></div>
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<p>Disparagement is insult; negativity just means something is not
good.<br>
</p>
<p><b>qagh let puS nagh let puS<br>
</b><i>the qagh is as hard as a stone </i>(so you should improve
your recipe)</p>
<p><b>qagh let puS nagh let rap<br>
</b><i>the qagh is as hard as a stone</i> (you incompetent chef!)</p>
<p>When I wrote "connotes positive/negative quality," I suppose what
I really should have said is "used with positive/negative
qualities." You'll use the <b>law'/law'</b> form when you're
saying A has an much of the positive quality Q as B; the <b>puS/puS</b>
version when you're saying A has as much of the negative quality Q
as B.<br>
</p>
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SuStel
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