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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] law' puS variations
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (SuStel)
Fri Aug 4 10:03:11 2017
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On 8/4/2017 9:33 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
> We know we can say:
>
> {la' jaq law' yaS jaq puS}
> The commander is bolder than the officer
>
> But can we say:
>
> {yaS jaq puS la' jaq law'}
> The officer is less bold than the commander ?
Okrand has not signed off on this, but I wouldn't be surprised if it
were true. But it's not really necessary, since it is logically
equivalent to the first sentence.
> And can we say:
>
> {la' jaq puS yaS jaq law'}
> The commander is less bold than the officer ?
Same answer.
> Also, we know we can say:
>
> {la' jaq law' Hoch jaq puS}
> The commander is boldest of all
>
> But can we say:
>
> {Hoch jaq puS la' jaq law'}
> All are less bold than the commander ?
My instinct would be no. Use the former.
> And can we say:
> {la' jaq puS Hoch jaq law'}
> The commander is less bold than all ?
I again tend towards no. If the commander is just not necessarily the
boldest, I might extrapolate one of the legitimate forms to *la' jaq
law'be' Hoch puSbe'*/the commander is not bolder than all./ Although it
is not mentioned, I feel confident that this one is allowed. If the
commander is actually the least bold of all, I'd use a different Q: *la'
jaqHa' law' Hoch jaqHa' puS*/the commander is the un-boldest of all./
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/4/2017 9:33 AM, mayqel qunenoS
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAP7F2cLKtMn2FH8Huh1AwBasQyG+xxyTDmtiPmkoruj_x_YW+A@mail.gmail.com">We
know we can say:
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">{la' jaq law' yaS jaq puS}</div>
<div dir="auto">The commander is bolder than the officer</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">But can we say:</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">{yaS jaq puS la' jaq law'}</div>
<div dir="auto">The officer is less bold than the commander ?</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
<p>Okrand has not signed off on this, but I wouldn't be surprised if
it were true. But it's not really necessary, since it is logically
equivalent to the first sentence.<br>
</p>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAP7F2cLKtMn2FH8Huh1AwBasQyG+xxyTDmtiPmkoruj_x_YW+A@mail.gmail.com">
<div dir="auto">And can we say:</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">{la' jaq puS yaS jaq law'}</div>
<div dir="auto">The commander is less bold than the officer ?</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
<p>Same answer.</p>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAP7F2cLKtMn2FH8Huh1AwBasQyG+xxyTDmtiPmkoruj_x_YW+A@mail.gmail.com">
<div dir="auto">Also, we know we can say:</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">{la' jaq law' Hoch jaq puS}</div>
<div dir="auto">The commander is boldest of all</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">But can we say:</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">{Hoch jaq puS la' jaq law'}</div>
<div dir="auto">All are less bold than the commander ?</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
<p>My instinct would be no. Use the former.<br>
</p>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAP7F2cLKtMn2FH8Huh1AwBasQyG+xxyTDmtiPmkoruj_x_YW+A@mail.gmail.com">
<div dir="auto">And can we say:</div>
<div dir="auto">{la' jaq puS Hoch jaq law'}</div>
<div dir="auto">The commander is less bold than all ?</div>
</blockquote>
<p>I again tend towards no. If the commander is just not necessarily
the boldest, I might extrapolate one of the legitimate forms to <b>la'
jaq law'be' Hoch puSbe'</b><i> the commander is not bolder than
all.</i> Although it is not mentioned, I feel confident that
this one is allowed. If the commander is actually the least bold
of all, I'd use a different Q: <b>la' jaqHa' law' Hoch jaqHa' puS</b><i>
the commander is the un-boldest of all.</i><br>
</p>
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