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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] wikiwiki (was Re: Klingon Weather Forecast)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Wed Aug 2 15:30:22 2017
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From: mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 22:30:19 +0300
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lieven:
> Most don't even knwo what it meant initially.
vaj, tagha'Ha' nuq 'oH ?
so, what did it mean initially ?
qunnoq
On 2 Aug 2017 10:01 pm, "Lieven" <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
> Am 02.08.2017 um 20:47 schrieb Michael Roney, Jr.:
>
>> Lieven, if you wouldn't mind, could you inform Maltz that "wiki" is a
>> Hawaiian word and not an English one.
>> And then I'll likely shut up on the matter.
>>
>
> I'll try what I can do, because I am not in direct contact with Maltz.
>
> I guess the basic problem is that Maltz is a Klingon informant in contact
> with the federation, whose primary language is "Federation Standard", i.e.
> English. This explains why nearly all of the loanword are based on English
> and not anything else.
>
> For instance, see {pIqarD}, which should be "pIyqagh" from the French
> pronunciation, or {'anyan} and other fruits which is different in most
> languages on earth.
>
> You may also see it from this perspective: Maltz was asked if he new what
> a wiki is by an English speaker. Maltz didn't know the word and just
> repeated it how he heard it, and that's what Marc Okrand wrote down.
>
> Am 02.08.2017 um 20:56 schrieb nIqolay Q:
> > One could make the argument that it's an English word that was derived
> > from Hawaiian. The English word "wiki" doesn't mean the same as the
> > Hawaiian, for instance.
>
> Good point. English speakers - especially computer geeks - see the word
> wiki as a term for some computer system. Most don't even knwo what it meant
> initially.
>
>
> --
> Lieven L. Litaer
> aka Quvar valer 'utlh
> Grammarian of the KLI
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<div dir=3D"auto">lieven:<div dir=3D"auto">>=C2=A0<span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">Most don't even knwo what it meant =
initially.</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-se=
rif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"f=
ont-family:sans-serif">vaj, tagha'Ha' nuq 'oH ?</span><br></div=
><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">so, what did it m=
ean initially ?</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sa=
ns-serif"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif">qunn=
oq</font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif"><br=
></span></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quot=
e">On 2 Aug 2017 10:01 pm, "Lieven" <<a href=3D"mailto:leviniu=
s@gmx.de">levinius@gmx.de</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc sol=
id;padding-left:1ex">Am 02.08.2017 um 20:47 schrieb Michael Roney, Jr.:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Lieven, if you wouldn't mind, could you inform Maltz that "wiki&qu=
ot; is a Hawaiian word and not an English one.<br>
And then I'll likely shut up on the matter.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
I'll try what I can do, because I am not in direct contact with Maltz.<=
br>
<br>
I guess the basic problem is that Maltz is a Klingon informant in contact w=
ith the federation, whose primary language is "Federation Standard&quo=
t;, i.e. English. This explains why nearly all of the loanword are based on=
English and not anything else.<br>
<br>
For instance, see {pIqarD}, which should be "pIyqagh" from the Fr=
ench pronunciation, or {'anyan} and other fruits which is different in =
most languages on earth.<br>
<br>
You may also see it from this perspective: Maltz was asked if he new what a=
wiki is by an English speaker. Maltz didn't know the word and just rep=
eated it how he heard it, and that's what Marc Okrand wrote down.<br>
<br>
Am 02.08.2017 um 20:56 schrieb nIqolay Q:<br>
> One could make the argument that it's an English word that was der=
ived<br>
> from Hawaiian. The English word "wiki" doesn't mean the =
same as the<br>
> Hawaiian, for instance.<br>
<br>
Good point. English speakers - especially computer geeks - see the word wik=
i as a term for some computer system. Most don't even knwo what it mean=
t initially.<br>
<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Lieven L. Litaer<br>
aka Quvar valer 'utlh<br>
Grammarian of the KLI<br>
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t=3D"_blank">http://www.facebook.com/Klingo<wbr>nteacher</a><br>
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>http://www.klingonwiki.net</a><br>
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