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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] wikiwiki (was Re: Klingon Weather Forecast)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Michael Roney, Jr.)
Wed Aug 2 13:48:27 2017
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From: "Michael Roney, Jr." <nahqun@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 13:48:23 -0400
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jatlh SuStel:
Maltz also uses the property of the glottal stop to stress the syllable it
appears in. By the general stress rules, *wIyqIy* would be pronounced with
stress on the *qIy,* while *wI'qIy* is stressed on the *wI'.* (He *could *h=
ave
said it was *wIy'qIy,* but he didn't.)
>
jatlh nicolay:
> It seems Maltz is also working with the Americanized pronunciation of
"wiki", which is what many people use when referring to Wikipedia and its
derivatives, rather than the original Hawaiian.
jatlh Matlh;
"Wiki" in English is pronounced with stress on the first syllable, which
has the same vowel sound as "with" or "which" or "hit" =E2=80=93 Klingon {I=
} =E2=80=93 and
the second syllable is the same as English "key." So it rhymes with
"Mickey" or "picky."
I'm less concerned with the stress of the loanword and more concerned about
the mispronunciation.
It's a loan word. Klingons can learn which syllable gets the emphasis.
American pronunciation? Is that what Maltz is trying to describe there?
As an American, I have never heard anyone say "wiki" in a way that
rhymes with "Mickey".
The first part of "wiki" is "we" as in "us" (or one could argue "wee" as in
small).
Which is the same sound as the second part which is "key".
Regardless of where the stress lies, the "i" isn't changing sounds.
Hawaiian is just as phonetic as Klingon is.
~naHQun
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><font><font><font><font>jatlh SuStel:</font></font></font>=
</font><div><br></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">Maltz also uses=
the property of the glottal stop to stress the syllable it appears in. By =
the general stress rules,=C2=A0</span><b style=3D"font-size:12.8px">wIyqIy<=
/b><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">=C2=A0would be pronounced with stress o=
n the=C2=A0</span><b style=3D"font-size:12.8px">qIy,</b><span style=3D"font=
-size:12.8px">=C2=A0while=C2=A0</span><b style=3D"font-size:12.8px">wI'=
qIy</b><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">=C2=A0is stressed on the=C2=A0</spa=
n><b style=3D"font-size:12.8px">wI'.</b><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px=
">=C2=A0(He=C2=A0</span><i style=3D"font-size:12.8px">could=C2=A0</i><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.8px">have said it was=C2=A0</span><b style=3D"font-si=
ze:12.8px">wIy'qIy,</b><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">=C2=A0but he di=
dn't.)</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><font><font><f=
ont><font>></font></font></font></font></span></div><div><span style=3D"=
font-size:12.8px"><font><font><br></font></font></span></div><div><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:12.8px"><font><font>jatlh nicolay:</font></font></span></di=
v><div>> It seems Maltz is also working with the Americanized pronunciat=
ion of "wiki", which is what many people use when referring to Wi=
kipedia and its derivatives, rather than the original Hawaiian.</div><div><=
br></div><div><font><font>jatlh Matlh;</font></font></div><div><span style=
=3D"font-size:12.8px">"Wiki" in English is pronounced with stress=
on the first syllable, which has the same vowel sound as "with" =
or "which" or "hit" =E2=80=93 Klingon {I} =E2=80=93 and=
the second syllable is the same as English "key." So it rhymes w=
ith "Mickey" or "picky."</span></div><div><span style=
=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px=
">I'm less concerned with the stress of the loanword and more concerned=
about the mispronunciation.</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8=
px">It's a loan word. Klingons can learn which syllable=C2=A0gets the e=
mphasis.</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div=
><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">American pronunciation? Is that what=
Maltz is trying to describe there?</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:12.8px">As an American, I have never heard anyone say "wiki" i=
n a way that rhymes=C2=A0with "Mickey".</span></div><div><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.=
8px"><font><font>The first part of "wiki" is "we" as in=
"us" (or one could argue "wee" as in small).</font></f=
ont></span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><font><font>Which is=
the same sound as the second part which is "key".</font></font><=
/span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><font><font>Regardless of=
where the stress lies, the "i" isn't changing sounds.</font>=
</font></span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><font><font>Hawai=
ian is just as phonetic as Klingon is.</font></font></span></div><div><span=
style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><font><font><br></font></font></span></div><div=
><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><font><font>~naHQun</font></font></span><=
/div></div>
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