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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] My list of 19 new words revisited
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (MorphemeAddict)
Fri Jul 28 01:30:54 2017
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Re wifebeater: I think it was on this list that I first encountered that
word in its non-literal meaning. So even a native can miss such things.
lay'tel SIvten
On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 9:41 AM, Andr=C3=A9 M=C3=BCller <esperantist@gmail.=
com> wrote:
> Hey Andrew,
>
> I remember last time, some people were a bit harsh that time. But it's
> good to see you back and I must say your list of words is really well
> thought through. Most of the words will probably be readily understandabl=
e
> for most Klingonists, except for perhaps "wifebeater". It's (I think) an
> English slang term that wouldn't be literally understandable by non-Engli=
sh
> speakers. Most will understand a person who beats their wife.
>
> Also note that it is somewhat of an unwritten custom to not write compoun=
d
> words as one word if it's not a word from Okrandian canon. So, better use=
a
> space, like {DIr vemmey}, (lit. 'marks of the skin'). But it's not a big
> mistake or anything.
>
> Just my 0.50 darseks
> - Andr=C3=A9 =F0=9F=96=96
>
>
> On 27 Jul 2017 10:33, "Jesse Manoogian" <boyfromtheabyss@yahoo.com> wrote=
:
>
> Hi, guys. It's Andrew again.
>
> Back at the end of 2015, I appeared on this mailing list with a list of 1=
9
> words missing in Klingon. Upon your encouragement I came up with
> equivalents for most of them using the existent roots, but now I see that
> many of my conceptions on how Klingon agglutination worked were wrong.
>
> Well, I've been reading up on tlhIngan Hol -- learning more about the
> vocabulary, the affixes, and the rules of morphology, and I think I've go=
t
> acceptable compounds and workarounds for all the words on my list now.
>
> Have a gander.
>
> be blonde: SuD (be yellow) works fine
> be straight (of hair): beQ (be flat)
> be curly: gho rur (resemble a circle)
> be wavy: yu'eghmey rur (resemble waves)
> be bald: jIb ghajbe' (to not have hair)
> be hazel: SuD 'ej wovbe' (be yellow/green and non-bright -- I thought "Su=
D
> 'ej Doq 'ej wovbe'" was too unwieldy)
> freckles: DIrvemmey (skin-mark-PL)
> wrinkle: bentlhegh (age-line)
> glasses: mIn'al'onmey (eye-glass-PL)
> braces: Ho'baS (tooth-metal -- it's singular -- as I understand, they say
> the singular "brace" in British English, so this has precedent)
> tattoo: DIrmIllogh (skin-picture)
> jeans: yopwaH ghegh (rough pants) -- and I also notice "yopwaH buq" for
> "pants pouch; trouser pocket" -- how about buq yopwaH for cargo pants?
> polo shirt: wep yor poSmoH ([sleeved] shirt with open top)
> tank top: be'nalmoqwI' (a calque of the English wifebeater)
> headphones: nachQoywI' (head-hearer . . . a calque from the German
> Kopfh=C3=B6rer)
> skateboard: rutlh'echlet (wheel-board)
> guitar: javHurDagh (six + stringed instrument)
> bass: javHurDagh jaQ (deep guitar)
> be teenage, be adolescent: nenchoH (become adult)
> teen, adolescent, youth, young adult: nuv nenchoH (person becoming adult)
>
>
>
> pItlh!
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier =
new,monospace">Re wifebeater: I think it was on this list that I first enco=
untered that word in its non-literal meaning. So even a native can miss suc=
h things.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:cour=
ier new,monospace"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fam=
ily:courier new,monospace">lay'tel SIvten</div></div><div class=3D"gmai=
l_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 9:41 AM, An=
dr=C3=A9 M=C3=BCller <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:esperantist@gm=
ail.com" target=3D"_blank">esperantist@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div>Hey Andrew,<div dir=3D=
"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I remember last time, some people were a=
bit harsh that time. But it's good to see you back and I must say your=
list of words is really well thought through. Most of the words will proba=
bly be readily understandable for most Klingonists, except for perhaps &quo=
t;wifebeater". It's (I think) an English slang term that wouldn=
9;t be literally understandable by non-English speakers. Most will understa=
nd a person who beats their wife.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto">Also note that it is somewhat of an unwritten custom to not write=
compound words as one word if it's not a word from Okrandian canon. So=
, better use a space, like {DIr vemmey}, (lit. 'marks of the skin')=
. But it's not a big mistake or anything.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></=
div><div dir=3D"auto">Just my 0.50 darseks</div><div dir=3D"auto">- Andr=C3=
=A9 =F0=9F=96=96</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote">On 27 Jul 2017 10:33, "Jesse Manoogian" <<a href=3D"m=
ailto:boyfromtheabyss@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">boyfromtheabyss@yahoo.co=
m</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"m_-2481581145=
986057563quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;paddi=
ng-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-famil=
y:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><=
div id=3D"m_-2481581145986057563m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_150=
1128078950_3180" dir=3D"ltr">Hi, guys. It's Andrew again.<span class=3D=
""><br id=3D"m_-2481581145986057563m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_=
1501128078950_3523"><br id=3D"m_-2481581145986057563m_-4613935845218075914y=
ui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3524">Back at the end of 2015, I appeared on=
this mailing list with a list of 19 words missing in Klingon. Upon your en=
couragement I came up with equivalents for most of them using the existent =
roots, but now I see that many of my conceptions on how Klingon agglutinati=
on worked were wrong.<br id=3D"m_-2481581145986057563m_-4613935845218075914=
yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3525"><br id=3D"m_-2481581145986057563m_-46=
13935845218075914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3526">Well, I've been =
reading up on tlhIngan Hol -- learning more about the vocabulary, the affix=
es, and the rules of morphology, and I think I've got acceptable compou=
nds and workarounds for all the words on my list now.<br id=3D"m_-248158114=
5986057563m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3527"><br i=
d=3D"m_-2481581145986057563m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_15011280=
78950_3528">Have a gander.<br id=3D"m_-2481581145986057563m_-46139358452180=
75914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3529"><br id=3D"m_-2481581145986057563=
m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3530"></span>be blond=
e: SuD (be yellow) works fine<br id=3D"m_-2481581145986057563m_-46139358452=
18075914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3531">be straight (of hair): beQ (b=
e flat)<br id=3D"m_-2481581145986057563m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16_0_ym1=
9_1_1501128078950_3532">be curly: gho rur (resemble a circle)<br id=3D"m_-2=
481581145986057563m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_353=
3">be wavy: yu'eghmey rur (resemble waves)<br id=3D"m_-2481581145986057=
563m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3534">be bald: jIb=
ghajbe' (to not have hair)<br id=3D"m_-2481581145986057563m_-461393584=
5218075914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3535">be hazel: SuD 'ej wovbe=
' (be yellow/green and non-bright -- I thought "SuD 'ej Doq &#=
39;ej wovbe'" was too unwieldy)<br id=3D"m_-2481581145986057563m_-=
4613935845218075914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3536">freckles: DIrvemme=
y (skin-mark-PL)<br id=3D"m_-2481581145986057563m_-4613935845218075914yui_3=
_16_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3537">wrinkle: bentlhegh (age-line)<span class=
=3D""><br id=3D"m_-2481581145986057563m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16_0_ym19=
_1_1501128078950_3538">glasses: mIn'al'onmey (eye-glass-PL)<br id=
=3D"m_-2481581145986057563m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_150112807=
8950_3539"></span>braces: Ho'baS (tooth-metal -- it's singular -- a=
s I understand, they say the singular "brace" in British English,=
so this has precedent)<br id=3D"m_-2481581145986057563m_-46139358452180759=
14yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3540">tattoo: DIrmIllogh (skin-picture)<b=
r id=3D"m_-2481581145986057563m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_15011=
28078950_3541">jeans: yopwaH ghegh (rough pants) -- and I also notice "=
;yopwaH buq" for "pants pouch; trouser pocket" -- how about =
buq yopwaH for cargo pants?<br id=3D"m_-2481581145986057563m_-4613935845218=
075914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3542">polo shirt: wep yor poSmoH ([sl=
eeved] shirt with open top)<span class=3D""><br id=3D"m_-248158114598605756=
3m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3543">tank top: be&#=
39;nalmoqwI' (a calque of the English wifebeater)<br id=3D"m_-248158114=
5986057563m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3544"></spa=
n>headphones: nachQoywI' (head-hearer . . . a calque from the German Ko=
pfh=C3=B6rer)<br id=3D"m_-2481581145986057563m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16=
_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3545">skateboard: rutlh'echlet (wheel-board)<br=
id=3D"m_-2481581145986057563m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_150112=
8078950_3546">guitar: javHurDagh (six + stringed instrument)<br id=3D"m_-24=
81581145986057563m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3547=
">bass: javHurDagh jaQ (deep guitar)<span class=3D""><br id=3D"m_-248158114=
5986057563m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3548">be te=
enage, be adolescent: nenchoH (become adult)<br id=3D"m_-248158114598605756=
3m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3549">teen, adolesce=
nt, youth, young adult: nuv nenchoH (person becoming adult)<br id=3D"m_-248=
1581145986057563m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3550"=
><br id=3D"m_-2481581145986057563m_-4613935845218075914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_15=
01128078950_3551"><br id=3D"m_-2481581145986057563m_-4613935845218075914yui=
_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3552"><br id=3D"m_-2481581145986057563m_-46139=
35845218075914yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1501128078950_3553"></span>pItlh!<br></div>=
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