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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] qep'a' webpage
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (DloraH)
Thu Jul 6 19:13:45 2017
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From: DloraH <seruq@bellsouth.net>
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Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2017 18:13:29 -0500
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On Thu, 2017-07-06 at 11:57 -0400, SuStel wrote:
> On 7/6/2017 11:46 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
> > If instead of {SoHtaHbe'chugh} we wrote {SoHbe'taHchugh}, and if
> > instead of {vIta'pu'be'} we wrote {vIta'be'pu'}..
> >
> > 1. Would you accept these choices as equally correct ?
> > 2. Meaning-wise, would you find that they are any different ?
>
> I would accept them as grammatically valid but not necessarily identical
> in meaning.
>
> The example with *ta'* is easier, because it's an actual verb.
> *vIta'pu'be':* I didn't *ta'pu'. vIta'be'pu':* I did *ta'be'*. The
> former describes a thing I might have done and says it didn't happen;
> the latter describes a thing I DID do, which is the not-doing of
> something. The distinction is subtle, and in most cases it wouldn't make
> a difference which you used.
>
> The one with *SoH* is messier because pronouns only act like verbs when
> they interact with other words, and because it seems like *-taH* may be
> required when the pronoun is combined with a locative, but that isn't
> clear... If someone were to choose the other form than I did, I wouldn't
> have a problem, and I wouldn't even be sure there is a significant
> difference.
>
Similar to the first example of 'not taking action' vs 'taking action to
not do something', (putting aside that -taH might be required with
locatives) I take [SoHtaHbe'] and [SoHbe'taH] as 'not being something'
vs 'being not something'. Very subtle, probably no difference on the
streets, but in a philosophy class, I would see a bit difference.
- DloraH
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