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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] What is a sentence?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (MorphemeAddict)
Sat Jun 10 17:07:17 2017
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Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 16:06:43 -0500
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Isn't that why {DaH} goes before {'e'}, if that's the clause it's meant to
modify?
reH targh HoH vav DaH 'e' vISov.
lay'tel SIvten
On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 3:47 PM, Lieven <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
> Am 10.06.2017 um 18:08 schrieb DloraH:
>
>> On Fri, 2017-06-09 at 21:58 +0200, Lieven wrote:
>>
>>> Am 09.06.2017 um 21:03 schrieb SuStel:
>>>
>>>> Oh sure. I'm not saying that an SAO isn't two sentences. It clearly is.
>>>> I'm saying that it's a sentence composed of sentences. It's both one
>>>> sentence and two.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Since a verb using a sentence as object creates a new sentence, I think
>>> it's very clear that such a SAO-sentence can be the SAO in another
>>> sentence.
>>>
>>> {targh HoH vav DaneH 'e' vIyaj net Sov.}
>>> One knows that I understand you want your father to kill the targ.
>>>
>>> [[[[targh HoH vav] DaneH] 'e' vIyaj] net Sov.]
>>> [[[[the father kills the targ] you want that] I understand that] one
>>> knows it]
>>>
>>>
>> But now add an adverbial to each sentence.
>>
>
> That sounds like a true challenge. Theoretically, it should be nested like
> macros do in software, but that would look very strange:
>
> {reH targh HoH vav}
> "father always kills targ"
>
> DaH {reH targh HoH vav} 'e' vISov
> Now I know that "father always kills targ"
>
> I'm not sure that is based on anything canon.
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier =
new,monospace">Isn't that why {DaH} goes before {'e'}, if that&=
#39;s the clause it's meant to modify?=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_d=
efault" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace">reH targh HoH vav DaH &=
#39;e' vISov.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:co=
urier new,monospace"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-f=
amily:courier new,monospace">lay'tel SIvten</div></div><div class=3D"gm=
ail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 3:47 PM, =
Lieven <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:levinius@gmx.de" target=3D"_=
blank">levinius@gmx.de</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1=
ex"><span class=3D"">Am 10.06.2017 um 18:08 schrieb DloraH:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On Fri, 2017-06-09 at 21:58 +0200, Lieven wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Am 09.06.2017 um 21:03 schrieb SuStel:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Oh sure. I'm not saying that an SAO isn't two sentences. It clearly=
is.<br>
I'm saying that it's a sentence composed of sentences. It's bot=
h one<br>
sentence and two.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Since a verb using a sentence as object creates a new sentence, I think<br>
it's very clear that such a SAO-sentence can be the SAO in another sent=
ence.<br>
<br>
{targh HoH vav DaneH 'e' vIyaj net Sov.}<br>
One knows that I understand you want your father to kill the targ.<br>
<br>
[[[[targh HoH vav] DaneH] 'e' vIyaj] net Sov.]<br>
[[[[the father kills the targ] you want that] I understand that] one<br>
knows it]<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
But now add an adverbial to each sentence.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></span>
That sounds like a true challenge. Theoretically, it should be nested like =
macros do in software, but that would look very strange:<br>
<br>
{reH targh HoH vav}<br>
"father always kills targ"<br>
<br>
DaH {reH targh HoH vav} 'e' vISov<br>
Now I know that "father always kills targ"<br>
<br>
I'm not sure that is based on anything canon.<span class=3D"im HOEnZb">=
<br>
<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Lieven L. Litaer<br>
aka Quvar valer 'utlh<br>
Grammarian of the KLI<br>
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