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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] The new old Klingons
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rebecca Krause)
Thu May 18 12:16:07 2017
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From: Rebecca Krause <rebecca.krause.1985@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 12:16:03 -0400
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Thank you all for your help.
On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote=
:
> Consider breaking up the long English sentence into two shorter Klingon
> sentences. Here=E2=80=99s some vocabulary and examples to play with:
>
>
>
> *lo'Ha'* waste (v)
>
> *HoS lI' Dalo'Ha'chu'*
> You are a total waste of good energy! PK
>
>
>
> *lo'laHbe'* be worthless (v)
>
>
> * vIlo'laHbe'*
> They are useless to me. I cannot use them. TKD
>
>
> *leghlaHchu'be'chugh mIn lo'laHbe' taj jej*
> A sharp knife is nothing without a sharp eye. TKW
>
> * lo'laHbe'*;* chetvI' chIm rur*
> worthless as an empty torpedo tube KGT
>
>
>
> *lo'laHbe'ghach* worthlessness (n)
>
>
>
> *lI' *be useful (v)
>
>
>
> * Qu'vaD lI' net tu'bej*
> One certainly finds it useful for the mission.
> One will certainly observe that it is useful
> to the mission. TKD
>
> * Qu'vaD lI' De'vam*
> This information is useful for the mission. TKD
>
>
> *HoS lI' Dalo'Ha'chu' *You are a total waste of good energy! PK
>
>
> *lI' 'e' Datu'*
> You will find it useful. PK
>
>
>
> *lI'qu' tlhIngan may' taj *The Klingon battle knife is designed primarily
> for
> versatility of use. SP2
>
>
> *bIDaqchu' 'ej jagh De' lI' DaSuq *Intercept useful enemy information.
> MKE
>
>
>
> *lI'be'* be useless
>
>
>
>
> * wa'maH yIHmey lI'be' *ten useless tribbles CK
>
> __
> Voragh
>
>
>
> *On Behalf Of *SuStel
>
> On 5/18/2017 6:28 AM, Rebecca Krause wrote:
>
>
> jIQochbe'. paghmeH tlhIngan Hol vIghojtaH vIneHbe'.
>
> If you see errors I would be happy to be corrected; I'm a learner... than=
k
> you What I was trying to say with each sentence was:
>
> "I agree. I don't want to be learning Klingon for nothing."
>
> *-meH* is a verb suffix; you can't put it on nouns. The English idiom *
> for nothing* isn't something you can translate quite so easily; you have
> to turn it into a non-idiomatic idea first. I'm thinking *lI'be' tlhIngan
> Hol ghojtaHghachwIj vIneHbe'** I don't want my ongoing learning of
> Klingon to be useless.*
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Thank you all for your help.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_=
extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Stev=
en Boozer <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu" tar=
get=3D"_blank">sboozer@uchicago.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor=3D"white" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" lang=3D"EN-US">
<div class=3D"m_1638856768923336472WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546a">Consider breaking up the long English s=
entence into two shorter Klingon sentences.=C2=A0 Here=E2=80=99s some vocab=
ulary and examples to play with:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546a"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.2in;line-height:12.0pt">
<b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">lo'Ha'</span></b><span style=
=3D"font-family:Courier">=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 waste =
(v)<i>
<br>
</i><br>
<b>HoS lI' Dalo'Ha'chu'</b> <br>
You are a total waste of good energy! PK</span><b><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:windowtext"><u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.2in;line-height:12.0pt">
<b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.2in;line-height:12.0pt">
<b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">lo'laHbe'</span></b><span st=
yle=3D"font-family:Courier">=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 be worthless (v)<u></=
u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.2in;line-height:12.0pt">
<b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier"><br>
vIlo'laHbe'</span></b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier"> <br>
They are useless to me. I cannot use them. TKD<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.2in;line-height:12.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:Courier"><br>
<b>leghlaHchu'be'chugh mIn lo'laHbe' taj jej</b> <br>
A sharp knife is nothing without a sharp eye. TKW<br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.2in;line-height:12.0pt">
<b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">=C2=A0 lo'laHbe'</span></b><=
span style=3D"font-family:Courier">;<b> chetvI' chIm rur</b>
<br>
worthless as an empty torpedo tube KGT</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0p=
t;font-family:Courier;color:windowtext"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.2in;line-height:12.0pt">
<b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.2in;line-height:12.0pt">
<b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">lo'laHbe'ghach</span></b><sp=
an style=3D"font-family:Courier">=C2=A0 worthlessness (n)<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546a"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.2in;line-height:12.0pt">
<b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">lI'=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></b>=
<span style=3D"font-family:Courier">be useful (v)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.2in;line-height:12.0pt">
<b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.2in;line-height:12.0pt">
<b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">=C2=A0 Qu'vaD lI' net tu'=
;bej</span></b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">
<br>
One certainly finds it useful for the mission. <br>
One will certainly observe that it is useful<br>
=C2=A0to the mission. TKD<br>
<br>
<b><u></u><u></u></b></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.2in;line-height:12.0pt">
<b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">=C2=A0 Qu'vaD lI' De'vam=
</span></b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">
<br>
This information is useful for the mission. TKD<br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.2in;line-height:12.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:Courier">=C2=A0 <b>HoS lI' Dalo'Ha'c=
hu' <br>
</b>You are a total waste of good energy! PK<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.2in;line-height:12.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:Courier"><br>
<b>lI' 'e' Datu'</b> <br>
You will find it useful. PK<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.2in;line-height:12.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:Courier"><br>
<b>lI'qu' tlhIngan may' taj <br>
</b>The Klingon battle knife is designed primarily for<br>
=C2=A0versatility of use. SP2<br>
<br>
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.2in;line-height:12.0pt">
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0<b><span style=3D"color:#c00000">bIDaqchu' 'ej j=
agh De' lI' DaSuq</span> <br>
</b>Intercept useful enemy information.=C2=A0 MKE<b><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:Courier"><u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.2in;line-height:12.0pt">
<b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.2in;line-height:12.0pt">
<b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">lI'be'</span></b><span style=
=3D"font-family:Courier"> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 be use=
less<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.2in;line-height:12.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:Courier"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.2in;line-height:12.0pt">
<b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">=C2=A0 wa'maH yIHmey lI'be&#=
39; <br>
</span></b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">ten useless tribbles<b> </b>=
CK<br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546a">__<br>
Voragh<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546a"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
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4.0pt">
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"=
;Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">On Behalf Of
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
sans-serif;color:windowtext">SuStel<br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div><span class=3D"">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 5/18/2017 6:28 AM, Rebecca Krause wrote:<u></u><u=
></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
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<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
jIQochbe'. paghmeH tlhIngan Hol vIghojtaH vIneHbe'.<br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">If you see errors I w=
ould be happy to be corrected; I'm a learner... thank you What I was tr=
ying to say with each sentence was:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">"I agree. I don't want to be learning Kling=
on for nothing."<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p><b>-meH</b> is a verb suffix; you can't put it on nouns. The English=
idiom <i>
for nothing</i> isn't something you can translate quite so easily; you =
have to turn it into a non-idiomatic idea first. I'm thinking
<b>lI'be' tlhIngan Hol ghojtaHghachwIj vIneHbe'</b><i> I don=
9;t want my ongoing learning of Klingon to be useless.</i><u></u><u></u></p=
>
</span></div>
</div>
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