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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Klingon Word of the Day: moch
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (qurgh lungqIj)
Fri Mar 31 13:31:35 2017
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From: qurgh lungqIj <qurgh@wizage.net>
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 13:31:09 -0400
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In KGT the meaning "inferior person" is added:
{Ha'DIbaH} ("dog, cur, inferior person")
{Ha'DIbaH} means "animal" in general (also "meat" of any kind), but
when applied to a person, it is an insult. It is most frequently used
epithetically---that is, in name calling---as in {romuluS Ha'DIbaH!}
("Romulan dog!"; literally, "Romulan animal!").
qurgh
On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 12:45 PM, nIqolay Q <niqolay0@gmail.com> wrote:
> {Ha'DIbaH} is an insult, though. It's not a generic, value-neutral
> word for someone with a lower status than you.
>
> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 12:40 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Then there is {Ha'DIbaH}, literally 'animal', but also 'inferior
> (person)'.
> >
> > lay'tel SIvten
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> > Klingon Word of the Day for Friday, March 31, 2017
> >> >
> >> > Klingon word: moch
> >> > Part of speech: noun
> >> > Definition: superior
> >> > Source: TKD
> >>
> >> AFAIK {moch} has never been used in canon.
> >>
> >> Okrand refers to "someone of higher rank in the Klingon social,
> political,
> >> or military hierarchy" (TKD 43). Is this a {moch}?
> >>
> >> Note the verb {nIv} "be superior".
> >>
> >> (KGT 110-11): [{qutluch patlh}] means hierarchical structure. The
> >> kut'luch is a knife associated with Klingon assassins, so the imagery
> is one
> >> of a list, presumably in a specific order, of intended victims of the
> >> kut'luch. To determine one's place in Klingon society or to understand
> who
> >> has authority over whom, one must be aware of the {qutluch patlh} of the
> >> military, the government, the house with which one is associated, and
> so on.
> >>
> >> SEE ALSO:
> >> chuQun nobility (n)
> >> qup elder (n)
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Voragh
> >> tlhIngan ghantoH pIn'a'
> >> Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
> >>
> >>
> >>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">In KGT the meaning "inferior person" is added:<b=
r><br><div>{Ha'DIbaH} ("dog, cur, inferior person")</div><div=
><br></div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0{Ha'DIbaH} means "animal"=
in general (also "meat" of any kind), but when applied to a pers=
on, it is an insult. It is most frequently used epithetically---that is, in=
name calling---as in {romuluS Ha'DIbaH!} ("Romulan dog!"; li=
terally, "Romulan animal!").</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><=
div>qurgh</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 12:45 PM, nIqolay Q <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:niqolay0@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">niqolay0@gmail.com</a>&g=
t;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0=
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">{Ha'DIbaH} is an ins=
ult, though. It's not a generic, value-neutral<br>
word for someone with a lower status than you.<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 12:40 PM, MorphemeAddict <<a href=3D"mailto:lytl=
esw@gmail.com">lytlesw@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Then there is {Ha'DIbaH}, literally 'animal', but also =
9;inferior (person)'.<br>
><br>
> lay'tel SIvten<br>
><br>
> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Steven Boozer <<a href=3D"mailto:=
sboozer@uchicago.edu">sboozer@uchicago.edu</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> > Klingon Word of the Day for Friday, March 31, 2017<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Klingon word: moch<br>
>> > Part of speech: noun<br>
>> > Definition: superior<br>
>> > Source: TKD<br>
>><br>
>> AFAIK {moch} has never been used in canon.<br>
>><br>
>> Okrand refers to "someone of higher rank in the Klingon socia=
l, political,<br>
>> or military hierarchy" (TKD 43).=C2=A0 Is this a {moch}?<br>
>><br>
>> Note the verb {nIv} "be superior".<br>
>><br>
>> (KGT 110-11):=C2=A0 [{qutluch patlh}] means hierarchical structure=
. The<br>
>> kut'luch is a knife associated with Klingon assassins, so the =
imagery is one<br>
>> of a list, presumably in a specific order, of intended victims of =
the<br>
>> kut'luch. To determine one's place in Klingon society or t=
o understand who<br>
>> has authority over whom, one must be aware of the {qutluch patlh} =
of the<br>
>> military, the government, the house with which one is associated, =
and so on.<br>
>><br>
>> SEE ALSO:<br>
>> chuQun=C2=A0 nobility (n)<br>
>> qup=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0elder (n)<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Voragh<br>
>> tlhIngan ghantoH pIn'a'<br>
>> Ca'Non Master of the Klingons<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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