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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] elephant
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (SuStel)
Mon Mar 27 09:32:38 2017
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 09:32:06 -0400
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On 3/27/2017 8:10 AM, Lieven wrote:
> Now on Facebook, our good friend and experience Klingonist SuStel
> started to argue it is not a canon word, just an English word prounced
> with a Klingon accent.
WRONG WRONG WRONG. You wanna know why I argue with you? This is why I
argue with you. You don't actually read what I write; you reduce what I
say to nonsense.
I said there's the canon of everything Okrand says about Klingon, and
there's the canon of what is recognized by Klingons as Klingon. I said
there are three categories of canon: native Klingon words, loan words
that have become Klingon, and on-the-spot phonetic adaptations. Okrand
specifically said that you should use the latter for /elephant:/ an
on-the-spot "Klingon version of Federation Standard." He said to
Klingon-ify an English word.
Other words like *pItSa'* and *'epIl* fall into one of the two latter
categories: loan words and phonetic adaptations. I accept them as
canonical, but I cannot identify whether they are loan words that
Klingons would recognize or merely on-the-spot phonetic adaptations. And
neither can you.
So is *'e'levan* THE way to say /elephant/ in Klingon? No. It's just a
SUGGESTION on how a Klingon might pronounce an English word if he
weren't going to try very hard to get English pronunciation right. Is
*'e'levan* a canonical word? Depends what you mean. Most people will see
"canonical word" and assume that means it's THE way to say the word, but
that's not the case. It's canonical in that Okrand typed it; it's not
canonical in the sense that it should appear on the New Words List as
THE way you say /elephant/ in Klingon.
I know you like to see yourself as the Prophet of Okrandian Canon, but
try to read his words a little closer before expounding upon them, and
mine before you start arguing with them.
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/27/2017 8:10 AM, Lieven wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote cite="mid:4166cc43-4eee-cbf0-dd76-e86398a70557@gmx.de"
type="cite">Now on Facebook, our good friend and experience
Klingonist SuStel started to argue it is not a canon word, just an
English word prounced with a Klingon accent.
</blockquote>
<br>
<p>WRONG WRONG WRONG. You wanna know why I argue with you? This is
why I argue with you. You don't actually read what I write; you
reduce what I say to nonsense.</p>
<p>I said there's the canon of everything Okrand says about Klingon,
and there's the canon of what is recognized by Klingons as
Klingon. I said there are three categories of canon: native
Klingon words, loan words that have become Klingon, and
on-the-spot phonetic adaptations. Okrand specifically said that
you should use the latter for <i>elephant:</i> an on-the-spot
"Klingon version of Federation Standard." He said to Klingon-ify
an English word.<br>
</p>
<p>Other words like <b>pItSa'</b> and <b>'epIl</b> fall into one
of the two latter categories: loan words and phonetic adaptations.
I accept them as canonical, but I cannot identify whether they are
loan words that Klingons would recognize or merely on-the-spot
phonetic adaptations. And neither can you.</p>
<p>So is <b>'e'levan</b> THE way to say <i>elephant</i> in
Klingon? No. It's just a SUGGESTION on how a Klingon might
pronounce an English word if he weren't going to try very hard to
get English pronunciation right. Is <b>'e'levan</b> a canonical
word? Depends what you mean. Most people will see "canonical word"
and assume that means it's THE way to say the word, but that's not
the case. It's canonical in that Okrand typed it; it's not
canonical in the sense that it should appear on the New Words List
as THE way you say <i>elephant</i> in Klingon.</p>
<p>I know you like to see yourself as the Prophet of Okrandian
Canon, but try to read his words a little closer before expounding
upon them, and mine before you start arguing with them.<br>
</p>
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SuStel
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://trimboli.name">http://trimboli.name</a></pre>
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