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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] mu' chu' chabal tetlh!
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (SuStel)
Fri Mar 24 20:12:32 2017
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On 3/24/2017 6:13 PM, Felix Malmenbeck wrote:
> == DISCUSSION ONLY: No new requests in this message. ==
>
>
> Another thing that might be useful for discussing pumping is expressions for describing repeated actions. Examples of useful distinctions might include:
>
> repeatedly
> do and then undo
This is the sort of thing Klingon doesn't do generically, but it does
well specifically. For instance, *bagh; ghIq baghHa'*/tie; then untie./
> (ir)regularly
I would expect *roD* /regularly /and **roDHa'* /irregularly /for this,
though the latter is unattested.
> periodically
Either *roD* or *rut* will work for this, depending on which meaning of
/periodically/ you mean.
> cyclically
> ad infinitum
> with (increasing/decreasing/oscillating/unchanged) amplitude
> with (increasing/decreasing/oscillating/unchanged) frequency
>
> For example, if we pretend that we have adverbs with these "definitions":
>
> {[irregularly] joqtaH tIqwIj.}
> ("My heart is beating irregularly.")
Right now we can say *roD joqtaHbe' tIqwIj,* though it would be nice if
we knew we could say **roDHa' joqtaH tIqwIj.*
> {[with increasing frequency] rontaH peng.}
> ("The torpedo is spinning (about its axis) faster and faster.")
We can currently say things like *DIngtaH peng 'ej ghurtaH Do*/the
torpedo is spinning and the velocity is increasing. /I wonder if *tajvaj
Do* works for /angular velocity.../
> {[with increasing frequecny] [with decreasing amplitude] bavchuqtaH luSpetmey.}
> ("The black holes were orbiting each other closer and closer and faster and faster.")
Again, we can approximate this (and I'm not saying that makes the
suggestions invalid) with *bavchuqtaH luSpetmey; choltaH 'ej ghurtaH
Dochaj*/the black holes are orbiting each other; they are getting closer
and their speeds are increasing./
I would point out that we do have a canonical example of the expression
of something with increasing frequency, though not of the kind you mean:
*beyHom bey bey'a' jachtaH */roar in a great crescendo /(SkyBox S31).
Who knows? If this sort of thing can be generalized, perhaps we can say
**DoHom Do Do'a'* for /faster and faster./
> {[repeatedly] [do and undo] chovnatlh bIrmoH QulwI'.}
> ("The researcher cooled and heated the sample.")
/Cooled and heated/ is certainly *bIrmoHta' 'ej tujmoHta'* /made cold
and made hot;/ no special word is needed.
> {[ad infinitum] [cyclically] [do and undo] Sach 'u' 'e' luHar 'op tejpu'.}
> ("Some scientists believe that the universe expands and contracts in an eternal cycle.")
*reH* /always /seems to work for /eternal///, and *Sach 'ej SachHa'*
means /expand and contract./ It's just the /cycle/ part that's tricky.
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/24/2017 6:13 PM, Felix Malmenbeck
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:1490393585564.30224@kth.se" type="cite">
<pre wrap="">== DISCUSSION ONLY: No new requests in this message. ==
</pre>
<br>
<pre wrap="">Another thing that might be useful for discussing pumping is expressions for describing repeated actions. Examples of useful distinctions might include:
repeatedly
do and then undo</pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
<p>This is the sort of thing Klingon doesn't do generically, but it
does well specifically. For instance, <b>bagh; ghIq baghHa'</b><i>
tie; then untie.</i><br>
</p>
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:1490393585564.30224@kth.se" type="cite">
<pre wrap="">(ir)regularly</pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
<p>I would expect <b>roD</b> <i>regularly </i>and *<b>roDHa'</b>
<i>irregularly </i>for this, though the latter is unattested.<br>
</p>
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:1490393585564.30224@kth.se" type="cite">
<pre wrap="">periodically</pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
<p>Either <b>roD</b> or <b>rut</b> will work for this, depending
on which meaning of <i>periodically</i> you mean.<br>
</p>
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:1490393585564.30224@kth.se" type="cite">
<pre wrap="">cyclically
ad infinitum
with (increasing/decreasing/oscillating/unchanged) amplitude
with (increasing/decreasing/oscillating/unchanged) frequency
For example, if we pretend that we have adverbs with these "definitions":
{[irregularly] joqtaH tIqwIj.}
("My heart is beating irregularly.")</pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
<p>Right now we can say <b>roD joqtaHbe' tIqwIj,</b> though it
would be nice if we knew we could say <b>*roDHa' joqtaH tIqwIj.</b><br>
</p>
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:1490393585564.30224@kth.se" type="cite">
<pre wrap="">{[with increasing frequency] rontaH peng.}
("The torpedo is spinning (about its axis) faster and faster.")</pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
<p>We can currently say things like <b>DIngtaH peng 'ej ghurtaH Do</b><i>
the torpedo is spinning and the velocity is increasing. </i>I
wonder if <b>tajvaj Do</b> works for <i>angular velocity...</i><br>
</p>
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:1490393585564.30224@kth.se" type="cite">
<pre wrap="">{[with increasing frequecny] [with decreasing amplitude] bavchuqtaH luSpetmey.}
("The black holes were orbiting each other closer and closer and faster and faster.")</pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
<p>Again, we can approximate this (and I'm not saying that makes the
suggestions invalid) with <b>bavchuqtaH luSpetmey; choltaH 'ej
ghurtaH Dochaj</b><i> the black holes are orbiting each other;
they are getting closer and their speeds are increasing.</i></p>
<p>I would point out that we do have a canonical example of the
expression of something with increasing frequency, though not of
the kind you mean: <b>beyHom bey bey'a' jachtaH </b><i>roar in a
great crescendo </i>(SkyBox S31). Who knows? If this sort of
thing can be generalized, perhaps we can say <b>*DoHom Do Do'a'</b>
for <i>faster and faster.</i><br>
</p>
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:1490393585564.30224@kth.se" type="cite">
<pre wrap="">{[repeatedly] [do and undo] chovnatlh bIrmoH QulwI'.}
("The researcher cooled and heated the sample.")</pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
<p><i>Cooled and heated</i> is certainly <b>bIrmoHta' 'ej tujmoHta'</b>
<i>made cold and made hot;</i> no special word is needed.<br>
</p>
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:1490393585564.30224@kth.se" type="cite">
<pre wrap="">{[ad infinitum] [cyclically] [do and undo] Sach 'u' 'e' luHar 'op tejpu'.}
("Some scientists believe that the universe expands and contracts in an eternal cycle.")
</pre>
</blockquote>
<p><b>reH</b> <i>always </i>seems to work for <i>eternal</i><i></i>,
and <b>Sach 'ej SachHa'</b> means <i>expand and contract.</i>
It's just the <i>cycle</i> part that's tricky.<br>
</p>
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