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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] mu' chu' chabal tetlh!
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jeremy Silver)
Tue Mar 21 13:56:57 2017
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:56:50 +0000
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I too have been having trouble finding a good way to express sand and ash and bribe for
example. I think describing ground-up rock confuses people if trying to talk about sand.
While on the subject of sand my wish-list extends to:
beach (n)
coast/shore (n)
bay/inlet (n)
harbour (n)
port [as in spaceport, seaport] (n) - some variation of {vergh} combined with {veng} maybe?
float [on water/in space, assuming it'll differ from {'al}] (v)
be-adrift [on water/in space] (v)
sail (n)
oar (n)
Don't know if Marc's painted himself into a corner with turning "row your boat" into "propel your
ship", but a {vo'wI'} can mean a few things.
That said, sometimes aiming for a phrase like {vo'meH patmey} if you want what you are
describing to remain neutral to time and technology; like you don't want it to matter if the ship has
sails, or if it's a fully kitted out Brel.
Recently I too needed something for Skull, {nach Hom} seemed to work OK but had too many
syllables at the time.
We have a word for crossing/traversing something, but I've wanted to express things crossing
like in an x or + shape before now. Do we have such a construction?
I'd also vote for a noun for snow as in the past using something like {chuch qutmey} seemed a bit
complicated.
Consider there to be another vote for *tide (n)* here too, had to make do with something like big
wave recently. Though now I think about it some way of combining {maS} and {yu'egh} might
work. Can you do something like {maSmo' yu'egh}?
Do we have a usual way of expressing the concept of "beyond" like:
On the other side of the mountain, there is a prison kind of thing?
or Past the crossroads someone did something?
Thanks,
mupwI'
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I too have been having trouble finding a good way to express sand and ash and bribe for example. I think describing ground-up rock confuses people if trying to talk about sand.</p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">While on the subject of sand my wish-list extends to:</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">beach (n)</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">coast/shore (n)</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">bay/inlet (n)</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">harbour (n)</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">port [as in spaceport, seaport] (n) - some variation of {vergh} combined with {veng} maybe?</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">float [on water/in space, assuming it'll differ from {'al}] (v)</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">be-adrift [on water/in space] (v)</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">sail (n)</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">oar (n)</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Don't know if Marc's painted himself into a corner with turning "row your boat" into "propel your ship", but a {vo'wI'} can mean a few things.</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">That said, sometimes aiming for a phrase like {vo'meH patmey} if you want what you are describing to remain neutral to time and technology; like you don't want it to matter if the ship has sails, or if it's a fully kitted out Brel.</p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Recently I too needed something for Skull, {nach Hom} seemed to work OK but had too many syllables at the time.</p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">We have a word for crossing/traversing something, but I've wanted to express things crossing like in an x or + shape before now. Do we have such a construction?</p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I'd also vote for a noun for snow as in the past using something like {chuch qutmey} seemed a bit complicated.</p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Consider there to be another vote for *tide (n)* here too, had to make do with something like big wave recently. Though now I think about it some way of combining {maS} and {yu'egh} might work. Can you do something like {maSmo' yu'egh}?</p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Do we have a usual way of expressing the concept of "beyond" like:</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On the other side of the mountain, there is a prison kind of thing?</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">or Past the crossroads someone did something?</p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Thanks,</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">mupwI'</p></body></html>
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