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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] mu' chu' (pab chu' je) chabal tetlh: filling the
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Lieven)
Tue Mar 21 03:32:09 2017
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From: Lieven <levinius@gmx.de>
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 08:32:10 +0100
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Am 21.03.2017 um 02:40 schrieb Michael K=FAnin:
> An hour or so ago, qurgh started the {chabal tetlh} thread for the
> upcoming qep'a' on Facebook. As FB is not very suitable for long and/or
> elaborate messages, I decided to summarise my idea here.
That's a good idea.
> The raw idea is: take the list of 5000 most frequently used English
> words and see which of them are *really* missing in our knowledge of
> Klingon.
That's not always true; many beginners seem to be missing words which =
are just expressed by other ideas, or just do not exist. Note that there =
still is no english word for "Kindergarten", but it works anyway.
> 1.2. By "*really* missing" I mean that there is no adequate translation
> (e.g., {'IHchoHmoH} for "suit (verb)", which appears in a sentence in
> TKD, is adequate,
Indeed. Beginners (and others) should know that since that was proposed =
in TKD, Okrand certainly thought about it, and hence it makes not sense =
asking for a verb like suit. Most of the time, there IS a way to express =
things, and very often, Okrand refuses to create a new word and instead =
proposes the use of an existing.
> 1.3. Another important aspect is whether we can reasonably expect that a
> Klingon word exists. Thus, I would exclude "Terran" words where the
> {banan naH} approach can be used. For example, if I need to say "oak", I
> would use {"oak" Sor} (there does not have to be a {Qo'noS} plant
> similar to the oak anyway).
Exactly! I recently had to translate the text for a children's show =
where the main characters are a mouse and an elephant. Okrand agreed =
that the word {Qa'Hom} for mouse is fine, but Maltz was not aware of an =
elephant like animal, so he suggested I just say {'e'levan}. [I did not =
post this to the list as this is not really a new word]
> For grammar, I would suggest to take a good English grammar for advanced
> learners (of English as foreign language), and identify which
> grammatical structures are missing in our knowledge of Klingon.
And even then, most things can be described somehow. Looking at our own =
grammar (being english, german or chinese) may be even more confusing =
than expected. English is very complicated, Klingon is not.
Just my two cents to this :-)
-- =
Lieven L. Litaer
aka Quvar valer 'utlh
Grammarian of the KLI
http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher
http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/NewWords
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