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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] KLCP Chart on Klingon Language Wiki
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (qurgh lungqIj)
Thu Mar 16 13:07:18 2017
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From: qurgh lungqIj <qurgh@wizage.net>
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 13:06:54 -0400
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On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 12:43 PM, John R. Harness <cartweel@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Indeed. Yet we use "grammarian" to refer to advanced speakers all the
> time. For example, during the "Grammarian's Round Table" events at qep'a'.
>
I understand that some do, although I tend to avoid using it within the
context of the KLI since it is a defined level that one could
(theoretically) reach. I only know of two people who have been awarded it:
Krankor and Seqram. (pab pIn SoHchugh je yIjatlh!!)
> Also a note from the wiki is kind of funny: There is a *Grammarian* (*pab
> pIn*) rank in the Klingon Language Certification Program
> <http://www.klingonwiki.net/bin/view/En/KlingonLanguageCertificationProgram> (one
> level above the actual highest level), but no one has ever tried to take it
> and *the KLI isn't sure how to administer it*."
>
The Grammarian level does have a definition of what is needed to be done to
pass it though:
The grammarian test is a little different than the others. The test is in
> two parts. The first part of test will consist of a collection of
> sentences, some grammatical, most not. The grammarian will have to provide
> an explanation of the grammatical details of the sentence, including an
> explanation for why the sentence may be ungrammatical. There will be 10
> questions of this type. The material will cover all known canon sources for
> Klingon grammar, including issues that may still not be clearly understood.
The second part of the test will be an essay, a written response to an
> essay question.
I just don't know if Holtej, or anyone else, has ever tried to figure out
10 questions of that type or if we have essay questions (which is why I
wrote in the wiki that "the KLI isn't sure how to administer it" :D).
Although I'm not at the point of taking that test, it would be nice to be
able to become an offical "KLI Grammarian" one day. I know there's also a
number of people on this list who could probably pass that level easily, so
it might be something that is worthwhile looking into going forward.
qurgh
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On T=
hu, Mar 16, 2017 at 12:43 PM, John R. Harness <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=
=3D"mailto:cartweel@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">cartweel@gmail.com</a>>=
</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px=
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div di=
r=3D"ltr">Indeed. Yet we use "grammarian" to refer to advanced sp=
eakers all the time. For example, during the "Grammarian's Round T=
able" events at qep'a'.=C2=A0<br></div></blockquote><div><br><=
/div><div>I understand that some do, although I tend to avoid using it with=
in the context of the KLI since it is a defined level that one could (theor=
etically) reach. I only know of two people who have been awarded it: Kranko=
r and Seqram. =C2=A0(pab pIn SoHchugh je yIjatlh!!)</div><div>=C2=A0</div><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l=
eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Also a no=
te from the wiki is kind of funny:=C2=A0<span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);fon=
t-family:tahoma,verdana,times,serif;font-size:14.3px">There is a=C2=A0</spa=
n><em style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:tahoma,verdana,times,serif;font=
-size:14.3px">Grammarian</em><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:ta=
homa,verdana,times,serif;font-size:14.3px">=C2=A0(</span><strong style=3D"c=
olor:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:tahoma,verdana,times,serif;font-size:14.3px">pa=
b pIn</strong><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:tahoma,verdana,ti=
mes,serif;font-size:14.3px">) rank in the=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"http://www=
.klingonwiki.net/bin/view/En/KlingonLanguageCertificationProgram" style=3D"=
color:rgb(85,26,139);text-decoration:none;font-family:tahoma,verdana,times,=
serif;font-size:14.3px" target=3D"_blank">Klingon Language Certification Pr=
ogram</a><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:tahoma,verdana,times,s=
erif;font-size:14.3px">=C2=A0(one level above the actual highest level), bu=
t no one has ever tried to take it and <i>the KLI isn't sure how to adm=
inister it</i>."</span></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The Gram=
marian level does have a definition of what is needed to be done to pass it=
though:<br><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0=
px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">The gramm=
arian test is a little different than the others. The test is in two parts.=
The first part of test will consist of a collection of sentences, some gra=
mmatical, most not. The grammarian will have to provide an explanation of t=
he grammatical details of the sentence, including an explanation for why th=
e sentence may be ungrammatical. There will be 10 questions of this type. T=
he material will cover all known canon sources for Klingon grammar, includi=
ng issues that may still not be clearly understood.=C2=A0</blockquote><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:=
1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">=C2=A0</blockquote><blockquote=
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px so=
lid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">The second part of the test will be =
an essay, a written response to an essay question.</blockquote><div><br></d=
iv><div>I just don't know if Holtej, or anyone else, has ever tried to =
figure out 10 questions of that type or if we have essay questions (which i=
s why I wrote in the wiki that "the KLI isn't sure how to administ=
er it" :D). <br><br>Although I'm not at the point of taking that t=
est, it would be nice to be able to become an offical "KLI Grammarian&=
quot; one day. I know there's also a number of people on this list who =
could probably pass that level easily, so it might be something that is wor=
thwhile looking into going forward.=C2=A0</div></div><div><br></div><div>qu=
rgh</div></div></div></div>
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