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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] -lI': intentional or not?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (SuStel)
Mon Feb 27 09:26:14 2017
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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 09:25:40 -0500
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On 2/27/2017 9:18 AM, PICHLMANN Christoph wrote:
> If there is a*known* ground below, the stone can only pumlI' .
> Of course if you don't know how deep it is, and can't see the ground, then pumtaH would be fine - from your point of view the stone might just as well fall forever.
> But if we can see the ground and you say "pumtaH" to me, I'd expect the stone to fall through the earth and continue to fall until something intentionally blocks its way.
TKD tells us that using *-lI'* instead of *-taH* is optional (whenever
the ideas behind *-lI'* apply). You can /always/ use *-taH* for any kind
of ongoing action. So if I can say *De' **vIlI'lI'*/I am transmitting
data,/ I can also say *De' vIlI'taH.*
So *pumtaH nagh* doesn't mean the stone won't stop when it hits the
ground; it just ignores whatever the stopping point may be.
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/27/2017 9:18 AM, PICHLMANN
Christoph wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">If there is a <b class="moz-txt-star"><span class="moz-txt-tag">*</span>known<span class="moz-txt-tag">*</span></b> ground below, the stone can only pumlI' .
Of course if you don't know how deep it is, and can't see the ground, then pumtaH would be fine - from your point of view the stone might just as well fall forever.
But if we can see the ground and you say "pumtaH" to me, I'd expect the stone to fall through the earth and continue to fall until something intentionally blocks its way.</pre>
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<p>TKD tells us that using <b>-lI'</b> instead of <b>-taH</b> is
optional (whenever the ideas behind <b>-lI'</b> apply). You can <i>always</i>
use <b>-taH</b> for any kind of ongoing action. So if I can say <b>De'
</b><b>vIlI'lI'</b><i> I am transmitting data,</i> I can also say
<b>De' vIlI'taH.</b></p>
<p>So <b>pumtaH nagh</b> doesn't mean the stone won't stop when it
hits the ground; it just ignores whatever the stopping point may
be.<br>
</p>
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