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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] -lI': intentional or not?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Lieven)
Mon Feb 27 08:41:43 2017
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From: Lieven <levinius@gmx.de>
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 14:41:47 +0100
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Am 27.02.2017 um 12:10 schrieb De'vID:
>>> {-ta'} indicates intention behind the action, but it doesn't
>>> necessarily indicate intention on the part of the subject of the verb.
>>> {pumta' nagh} is fine, if someone pushed the stone intentionally.
more:
> It's often overlooked that each section in TKD 4.2.X describes just
> who or what is affected by each type of suffix. For example, type 2
> describes "how much choice the subject has", while type 6 show "how
> sure the speaker is". Type 7 explicitly says the suffix is about "the
> action" of the verb.
It further says that the {-ta'} suffix "is used when an activity was
deliberately undertaken, the implication being that someone set out to
do something and in fact did it."
> {So'wI' chu'lu'ta'} is in TKD, and has an indefinite subject.
Yes, true, but still the indefinite /subject/ did this intentionally.
All the (few) canon examples I can find in TKD, TKW and Monopoly have
the subject intenting/deciding to do something.
I have read all of chapter 4.2.7 carefully, and I think you can pin it
down to two sorts of suffixes with two subclasses:
1) completed a) general / b) intentional (i.e. "deliberatly undertaken")
2) continous a) general / b) intentional (i.e. "known goal")
I certainly do know that we can never be 100% sure without help from
Maltz or canon examples, but in this case, as long as we don't have
better examples, I keep feeling that {Heghta'} only makes sense in the
Heghbat Ritual.
--
Lieven L. Litaer
aka Quvar valer 'utlh
Grammarian of the KLI
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