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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] -lI': intentional or not?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (SuStel)
Sun Feb 26 13:19:43 2017
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Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2017 13:19:33 -0500
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On 2/26/2017 12:35 PM, Lieven wrote:
> Would there be a difference between a stone falling due to the wind
> moving it and my intentionally making it drop?
Unless you are intentionally personifying the wind and giving it an
objective of making the stone hit the ground, the restrictive argument
would say yes, there is a difference: if you dropped the stone intending
that its goal is the ground you could say *pumlI'* (or *pumtaH*); if the
stone fell off a cliff because of a gust of wind, you could only say
*pumtaH.
*
The non-restrictive argument would say there is no difference: the
agent's intentions are not described by *-lI',* the speaker is merely
describing an action progressing toward a known stopping point. A rock
pushed off a cliff by a gust of wind could be said to be *pumlI'*
because it is making progress toward the known stopping point of the ground.
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/26/2017 12:35 PM, Lieven wrote:<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:98f6e8ff-04fc-4d9e-20cb-4476e2add861@gmx.de"
type="cite">Would there be a difference between a stone falling
due to the wind moving it and my intentionally making it drop?</blockquote>
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<p>Unless you are intentionally personifying the wind and giving it
an objective of making the stone hit the ground, the restrictive
argument would say yes, there is a difference: if you dropped the
stone intending that its goal is the ground you could say <b>pumlI'</b>
(or <b>pumtaH</b>); if the stone fell off a cliff because of a
gust of wind, you could only say <b>pumtaH.<br>
</b></p>
<p>The non-restrictive argument would say there is no difference:
the agent's intentions are not described by <b>-lI',</b> the
speaker is merely describing an action progressing toward a known
stopping point. A rock pushed off a cliff by a gust of wind could
be said to be <b>pumlI'</b> because it is making progress toward
the known stopping point of the ground.<br>
</p>
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