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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Rendered fat
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Ed Bailey)
Sat Feb 18 14:23:12 2017
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From: Ed Bailey <bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2017 14:23:08 -0500
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jatlh SuStel:
*-wI'* has the effect of nominalizing the verb into the subject of that
verb. A *vutwI'* is the thing that performs *vut,* the subject of *vut.*
If you were to say **vutlu'wI',* you'd be trying to nominalize the verb
into a nonexistent subject. No one in particular performs *vutlu',* so it
makes no sense to talk about the noun that performs *vutlu'.*
As I said, I'd like to hear what MO has to say on the subject. It's bound
to be more nuanced, not to mention a lot less bombastic and opinionated.
Perhaps his explanation would also shed light on Klingon concepts of
grammar and why a verb plus {-lu'} takes the prefixes it does.
taH ghaH:
Why are we dropping the h in *gh*?
'Iv maHqoqvam? 'ej Hoch ghItlhHa'ghach DabuSmeH poH Daghaj'a'?
~mIp'av
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra">jatlh SuStel:<p style=3D"margin=
-left:40px"><b>-wI'</b> has the effect of nominalizing the verb into th=
e
subject of that verb. A <b>vutwI'</b> is the thing that performs
<b>vut,</b> the subject of <b>vut.</b></p><div style=3D"margin-left:4=
0px">
</div><p style=3D"margin-left:40px">If you were to say <b>*vutlu'wI=
',</b> you'd be trying to
nominalize the verb into a nonexistent subject. No one in
particular performs <b>vutlu',</b> so it makes no sense to talk
about the noun that performs <b>vutlu'.</b></p>As I said, I'd=
like to hear what MO has to say on the subject. It's bound to be more =
nuanced, not to mention a lot less bombastic and opinionated<span class=3D"=
m_973410155822178912gmail-">. Perhaps his explanation would also shed light=
on Klingon concepts of grammar and why a verb plus {-lu'} takes the pr=
efixes it does.<br></span></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><span class=3D"m=
_973410155822178912gmail-"><br></span></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><spa=
n class=3D"m_973410155822178912gmail-">taH ghaH:<br>
</span></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><p style=3D"margin-left:40px">W=
hy are we dropping the h in <b>gh</b>?</p>'Iv maHqoqvam? 'ej Hoch g=
hItlhHa'ghach DabuSmeH poH Daghaj'a'?<br><br></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra">~mIp'av<br></div></div>
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