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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Rendered fat
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Ed Bailey)
Fri Feb 17 23:24:20 2017
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From: Ed Bailey <bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2017 23:24:16 -0500
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On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 5:36 PM, David Holt <kenjutsuka@live.com> wrote:
> I have a project I'm working on and I would like to figure out the most
> efficient way to elicit the image of rendered fat as a thing. Is {tlhag}
> the subject of {'Im} and thus {'Impu'wI'} might work? Or is {tlhag} the
> object of {'Im} and thus we might have to go with the unwieldy {tlhagh
> 'Imlu'pu'bogh}? What about {-wI'} with {-lu'} - {'Imlu'pu'wI'}?
>
> Jeremy
>
Oh, boy, the {-lu'} plus {-wI'} thing again! I so wish MO would finally
rule on this, since it's immediately obvious to some this combination
nominalizes the same way as "-ee" in "employee," but others regard the
construction as grammatical gibberish, and they seem to have convinced most
to avoid using it. (I can't help but suspect the difficulty with {-lu'}
plus {-wI'} has a lot to do with a programming background, since the
objection is often phrased as "I can't make that mean anything," which
sounds a lot like a compiler error to me.)
"Boil" can take an object or not, of course, but the online OED gives only
transitive definitions for "render":
"Melt down (fat) in order to clarify it.
*=E2=80=98the fat was being cut up and rendered for lard=E2=80=99*
Process (the carcass of an animal) in order to extract proteins, fats, and
other usable parts.
*=E2=80=98the rendered down remains of sheep=E2=80=99 "*
So I'd expect {tlhag} is the object of {'Im}. 'ej bIjatlhchugh
<'Imlu'pu'wI'>, vay' 'Imlu'pu'bogh 'oH 'e' SIbI' vIyaj.
~mIp'av
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On F=
ri, Feb 17, 2017 at 5:36 PM, David Holt <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:kenjutsuka@live.com" target=3D"_blank">kenjutsuka@live.com</a>></sp=
an> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px=
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<p>I have a project I'm working on and I would like to figure out the m=
ost efficient way to elicit the image of rendered fat as a thing.=C2=A0 Is =
{tlhag} the subject of {'Im} and thus {'Impu'wI'} might wor=
k?=C2=A0 Or is {tlhag} the object of {'Im} and thus we might have
to go with the unwieldy {tlhagh 'Imlu'pu'bogh}?=C2=A0 What abo=
ut {-wI'} with {-lu'} -=C2=A0{'Imlu'pu'wI'}?</p>
<p>Jeremy</p></div></div></blockquote><div><div>Oh, boy, the {-lu'} plu=
s {-wI'} thing again! I so wish MO would=20
finally rule on this, since it's immediately obvious to some this=20
combination nominalizes the same way as "-ee" in "employee,&=
quot; but others regard the construction as grammatical gibberish, and they=
seem to have convinced most to avoid using it. (I can't help but suspe=
ct=20
the difficulty with {-lu'} plus {-wI'} has a lot to do with a=20
programming background, since the objection is often phrased as "I can=
't
make that mean anything," which sounds a lot like a compiler error to=
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me.)<br><br></div><div>"Boil" can take an object or not, of cours=
e, but the online OED gives only transitive definitions for "render&qu=
ot;:<br><br><span class=3D"gmail-ind">"Melt down (fat) in order to cla=
rify it.</span><div class=3D"exg"><div class=3D"ex"> <em>=E2=80=98the fat w=
as being cut up and rendered for lard=E2=80=99</em></div></div><span class=
=3D"gmail-ind">Process (the carcass of an animal) in order to extract prote=
ins, fats, and other usable parts.</span><div class=3D"exg"><div class=3D"e=
x"> <em>=E2=80=98the rendered down remains of sheep=E2=80=99 "<br><br>=
</em></div><div class=3D"ex">So I'd expect {tlhag} is the object of {&#=
39;Im}. 'ej bIjatlhchugh <'Imlu'pu'wI'>, vay'=
'Imlu'pu'bogh 'oH 'e' SIbI' vIyaj.<br><br></di=
v></div></div></div><div>~mIp'av<br></div><div>=C2=A0</div></div></div>=
</div>
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