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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] KLBC - How to say "I like to do/doing something"
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (=?UTF-8?Q?Aur=C3=A9lie_Demonchaux?)
Mon Feb 13 23:14:30 2017
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Thanks for the suggestion!
I was a bit hesitant about -ghach because I remember a discussion about it
being a bit tricky to use for a beginner, or possibly "bad Klingon".
But, I guess then if it's ok to use it it could be:
vuttaHghach vIparHa'
(by the way, I don't need to use any prefix in a nominalized verb, right?)
Thanks again!
~mughwI'
2017-02-12 23:08 GMT+01:00 MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com>:
> How about using a noun derived from a verb (by adding -ghach, e.g.) as th=
e
> object? It involves deciding which other suffix(es) to use so that it
> doesn't sound odd.
>
> lay'tel SIvten
>
> On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 7:25 PM, Lieven <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
>
>> Okay, since others have broken the KLBC-barrier already, and our current
>> BG may be at shore leave, I'll answer this:
>>
>> Am 09.02.2017 um 13:31 schrieb Aur=C3=A9lie Demonchaux:
>>
>>> We have some examples of <par> and <parHa'> being used with nouns or
>>> pronouns but I can't find any canon source where they apply to verbs.
>>>
>>> Do you use {'e'} or nothing in those cases?
>>>
>>
>> I will not go into alternatives like {tIv} "enjoy", but simple answer
>> the question grammatically:
>>
>> The verb {neH} is the only exception for omitting {'e'}. This means that
>> it is correct to say
>>
>> {jIvut 'e' vIparHa'} "I like that I cook."
>>
>> Yes, indeed you may think that this literally means "I do like the fact
>> that I am cooking at this moment", but there is no "special" constructio=
n
>> to express the common feeling of "I like surfing in general". It's the
>> English that's strange, not the Klingon.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Lieven L. Litaer
>> aka Quvar valer 'utlh
>> Grammarian of the KLI
>> http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher
>> http://www.klingonwiki.net
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,he=
lvetica,sans-serif">Thanks for the suggestion!</div><div class=3D"gmail_def=
ault" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I was a=
bit hesitant about -ghach because I remember a discussion about it being a=
bit tricky to use for a beginner, or possibly "bad Klingon".</di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-se=
rif"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helv=
etica,sans-serif">But, I guess then if it's ok to use it it could be:</=
div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default"><font face=3D"times new roman=
, serif">vuttaHghach vIparHa'</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class=3D"gm=
ail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">(by the way, =
I don't need to use any prefix in a nominalized verb, right?)</div><div=
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><=
br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,=
sans-serif">Thanks again!</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-f=
amily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" st=
yle=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">~mughwI'</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif"><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote">2017-02-12 23:08 GMT+01:00 MorphemeAddict <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:lytlesw@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lytlesw@gmail.com</a>><=
/span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bor=
der-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gm=
ail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace">How about using a =
noun derived from a verb (by adding -ghach, e.g.) as the object? It involve=
s deciding which other suffix(es) to use so that it doesn't sound odd.=
=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier new,m=
onospace"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:couri=
er new,monospace">lay'tel SIvten</div></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div =
class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On T=
hu, Feb 9, 2017 at 7:25 PM, Lieven <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:=
levinius@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">levinius@gmx.de</a>></span> wrote:<br=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1=
px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Okay, since others have broken the KLBC-bar=
rier already, and our current BG may be at shore leave, I'll answer thi=
s:<span><br>
<br>
Am 09.02.2017 um 13:31 schrieb Aur=C3=A9lie Demonchaux:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
We have some examples of <par> and <parHa'> being used with=
nouns or<br>
pronouns but I can't find any canon source where they apply to verbs.<b=
r>
<br>
Do you use {'e'} or nothing in those cases?<br>
</blockquote>
<br></span>
I will not go into alternatives like {tIv} "enjoy", but simple an=
swer<br>
the question grammatically:<br>
<br>
The verb {neH} is the only exception for omitting {'e'}. This means=
that it is correct to say<br>
<br>
{jIvut 'e' vIparHa'} "I like that I cook."<br>
<br>
Yes, indeed you may think that this literally means "I do like the fac=
t that I am cooking at this moment", but there is no "special&quo=
t; construction to express the common feeling of "I like surfing in ge=
neral". It's the English that's strange, not the Klingon.<span=
class=3D"m_-7000954861079759648HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Lieven L. Litaer<br>
aka Quvar valer 'utlh<br>
Grammarian of the KLI<br>
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>http://www.klingonwiki.net</a></font></span><div class=3D"m_-7000954861079=
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