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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] KLBC - How to say "I like to do/doing something"
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Sat Feb 11 08:34:40 2017
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Thanks David!
Indeed the lack of tense can be a bit confusing sometimes and it's taking
me a bit of time getting used to.
I'm still working to figure out also how it works with the verb suffixes.
For example, in the 4 possible sentences below, do I get the exact nuances
right?
jIvutpu=E2=80=99 =E2=80=99e=E2=80=99 vIparHa=E2=80=99
- I like that I cooked (at some point in the past)
- I like that I have cooked (just now)
- I like finishing to cook (maybe implying that this is when I can finally
eat ;)
jIvutta=E2=80=99 =E2=80=99e=E2=80=99 vIparHa=E2=80=99
- I like that I successfully cooked / that I achieved cooking/ I like
cooking successfully [just now, in the past or in general], with more
emphasis on the achievement (maybe I was cooking something tricky and I
made it)
jIvuttaH =E2=80=99e=E2=80=99 vIparHa'
- I like cooking (the process of cooking)
jIvutlI=E2=80=99 =E2=80=99e=E2=80=99 vIparHa'
- I like preparing the meal (with more emphasis on the purpose)
What do you think?
~mughwI'
2017-02-10 18:22 GMT+01:00 David Holt <kenjutsuka@live.com>:
>
> I would just like to add (because it may help you with future problems)
> that what may actually be throwing you off is the lack of tense in
> Klingon. One way to translate {jIvut 'e' vIparHa'} is "I like that I am
> cooking." However, depending on context, you might also interpret it as,
> "I like that I cooked," "I like that I will cook," "I like that I do cook=
,"
> and other variations too.
>
> janSIy
>
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> *From:* tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org> on behalf of
> Aur=C3=A9lie Demonchaux <demonchaux.aurelie@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 9, 2017 6:31 AM
> *To:* tlhingan-hol@kli.org
> *Subject:* [tlhIngan Hol] KLBC - How to say "I like to do/doing something=
"
>
> Hello!
>
> I've been wondering, what's the correct way to express liking / disliking
> an activity?
>
> For example, saying:
>
> "I like to cook"
> or "The Vulcan doesn't like to fight"
>
> We have some examples of <par> and <parHa'> being used with nouns or
> pronouns but I can't find any canon source where they apply to verbs.
>
> Do you use {'e'} or nothing in those cases?
>
> As in:
> <jIvut vIparHa'> vs <jIvut =E2=80=99e=E2=80=99 vIparHa'>
> <Suv par vulqangan> vs <Suv =E2=80=99e=E2=80=99 par vulqangan>
>
> My "feeling" would be to use no =E2=80=99e=E2=80=99 , similar to the cons=
truction with
> <want> (neH), because 'e' is the equivalent of "that", so using it would
> mean "I like that I cook" / "The Vulcan doesn't like that he fights",
> implying that the cooking/fighting is actually happening now, instead of
> stating "I like cooking in general"/"the Vulcan doesn't like fighting in
> general" (but I'm not necessarily cooking right now and the Vulcan is not
> fighting right now either).
>
> What do you think?
>
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,he=
lvetica,sans-serif">Thanks David!</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_d=
efault" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Indeed the lack of=
tense can be a bit confusing sometimes and it's taking me a bit of tim=
e getting used to.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:a=
rial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"=
font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I'm still working to figure out=
also how it works with the verb suffixes.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default=
" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class=3D"=
gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">For example=
, in the 4 possible sentences below, do I get the exact nuances right?</div=
><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-ser=
if"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default"><font face=3D"times new roman, s=
erif">jIvutpu=E2=80=99 =E2=80=99e=E2=80=99 vIparHa=E2=80=99=C2=A0</font></d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif">- I like that I cooked (at some point in the past)</div><div class=3D=
"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">- I like t=
hat I have cooked (just now)</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon=
t-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">- I like finishing to cook (maybe impl=
ying that this is when I can finally eat ;)</div><div class=3D"gmail_defaul=
t" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class=3D=
"gmail_default"><font face=3D"times new roman, serif">jIvutta=E2=80=99 =E2=
=80=99e=E2=80=99 vIparHa=E2=80=99</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">- I like that I successful=
ly cooked / that I achieved cooking/ I like cooking successfully [just now,=
in the past or in general], with more emphasis on the achievement (maybe I=
was cooking something tricky and I made it)</div><div class=3D"gmail_defau=
lt" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default"><font face=3D"times new roman, serif">jIvuttaH =E2=80=99=
e=E2=80=99 vIparHa'</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"f=
ont-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">- I like cooking (the process of coo=
king)</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetic=
a,sans-serif"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default"><font face=3D"times ne=
w roman, serif">jIvutlI=E2=80=99 =E2=80=99e=E2=80=99 vIparHa'</font></d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif">- I like preparing the meal (with more emphasis on the purpose)</div>=
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvet=
ica,sans-serif">What do you think?</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_d=
efault"><font face=3D"times new roman, serif">~mughwI'</font></div><div=
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><=
br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,=
sans-serif"><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote">2017-02-10 18:22 GMT+01:00 David Holt <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:kenjutsuka@live.com" target=3D"_blank">kenjutsuka@live.com</a=
>></span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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pt;color:#000000;font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif" dir=3D"ltr=
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I would just like to add (because it may help you with future problems) tha=
t what may actually be throwing you off is the lack of tense in Klingon.=C2=
=A0 One way to translate {jIvut 'e' vIparHa'} is "I like t=
hat I am cooking." =C2=A0However, depending on context, you
might also interpret it as, "I like that I cooked," "I like=
that I will cook," "I like that I do cook," and other varia=
tions too.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>janSIy<br>
<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f">Hello!</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f">I've been wondering, what's the correct way to express liking / =
disliking an activity?</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f">For example, saying:</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f">"I like to cook"</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f">or "The Vulcan doesn't like to fight"</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f">We have some examples of <par> and <parHa'> being used w=
ith nouns or pronouns but I can't find any canon source where they appl=
y to verbs.</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f">Do you use {'e'} or nothing in those cases?</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f">As in:</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default"><font face=3D"times new roman, serif"><jIvu=
t vIparHa'> vs <jIvut =E2=80=99e=E2=80=99 vIparHa'></font>=
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default"><font face=3D"times new roman, serif"><Suv =
par vulqangan> vs <Suv =E2=80=99e=E2=80=99 par vulqangan></font></=
div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f">My "feeling" would be to use no =E2=80=99e=E2=80=99 , similar =
to the construction with <want> (neH), because 'e' is the equ=
ivalent of "that", so using it would mean "I like that I coo=
k" / "The Vulcan
doesn't like that he fights", implying that the cooking/fighting =
is actually happening now, instead of stating "I like cooking in gener=
al"/"the Vulcan doesn't like fighting in general" (but I=
'm not necessarily cooking right now and the Vulcan is not fighting
right now either).</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f">What do you think?</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f"><br>
</div>
</div>
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