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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] KLBC - How to say "I like to do/doing something"
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (David Holt)
Fri Feb 10 12:22:26 2017
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From: David Holt <kenjutsuka@live.com>
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I would just like to add (because it may help you with future problems) tha=
t what may actually be throwing you off is the lack of tense in Klingon. O=
ne way to translate {jIvut 'e' vIparHa'} is "I like that I am cooking." Ho=
wever, depending on context, you might also interpret it as, "I like that I=
cooked," "I like that I will cook," "I like that I do cook," and other var=
iations too.
janSIy
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lie Demonchaux <demonchaux.aurelie@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 6:31 AM
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Subject: [tlhIngan Hol] KLBC - How to say "I like to do/doing something"
Hello!
I've been wondering, what's the correct way to express liking / disliking a=
n activity?
For example, saying:
"I like to cook"
or "The Vulcan doesn't like to fight"
We have some examples of <par> and <parHa'> being used with nouns or pronou=
ns but I can't find any canon source where they apply to verbs.
Do you use {'e'} or nothing in those cases?
As in:
<jIvut vIparHa'> vs <jIvut =92e=92 vIparHa'>
<Suv par vulqangan> vs <Suv =92e=92 par vulqangan>
My "feeling" would be to use no =92e=92 , similar to the construction with =
<want> (neH), because 'e' is the equivalent of "that", so using it would me=
an "I like that I cook" / "The Vulcan doesn't like that he fights", implyin=
g that the cooking/fighting is actually happening now, instead of stating "=
I like cooking in general"/"the Vulcan doesn't like fighting in general" (b=
ut I'm not necessarily cooking right now and the Vulcan is not fighting rig=
ht now either).
What do you think?
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I would just like to add (because it may help you with future problems) tha=
t what may actually be throwing you off is the lack of tense in Klingon. &n=
bsp;One way to translate {jIvut 'e' vIparHa'} is "I like that I am coo=
king." However, depending on context, you
might also interpret it as, "I like that I cooked," "I like=
that I will cook," "I like that I do cook," and other varia=
tions too.
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<div>janSIy<br>
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<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
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<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f">I've been wondering, what's the correct way to express liking / dislikin=
g an activity?</div>
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f"><br>
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<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f">For example, saying:</div>
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<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f">"I like to cook"</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f">or "The Vulcan doesn't like to fight"</div>
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f"><br>
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<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f">We have some examples of <par> and <parHa'> being used with =
nouns or pronouns but I can't find any canon source where they apply to ver=
bs.</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f"><br>
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<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f">Do you use {'e'} or nothing in those cases?</div>
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<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f">As in:</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default"><font face=3D"times new roman, serif"><jIvu=
t vIparHa'> vs <jIvut =92e=92 vIparHa'></font></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default"><font face=3D"times new roman, serif"><Suv =
par vulqangan> vs <Suv =92e=92 par vulqangan></font></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f"><br>
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<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f">My "feeling" would be to use no =92e=92 , similar to the const=
ruction with <want> (neH), because 'e' is the equivalent of "tha=
t", so using it would mean "I like that I cook" / "The =
Vulcan
doesn't like that he fights", implying that the cooking/fighting is a=
ctually happening now, instead of stating "I like cooking in general&q=
uot;/"the Vulcan doesn't like fighting in general" (but I'm not n=
ecessarily cooking right now and the Vulcan is not fighting
right now either).</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f"><br>
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<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f">What do you think?</div>
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