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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] KLBC - How to say "I like to do/doing something"
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (=?UTF-8?Q?Aur=C3=A9lie_Demonchaux?)
Fri Feb 10 05:42:30 2017
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Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2017 11:42:23 +0100
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Thanks very much for your detailed replies and clarifications, this is very
helpful!
I think I get it now, the =E2=80=99e=E2=80=99 just needs to be there regard=
less of how we
might backtranslate it in English.
Thanks also for sharing alternatives to <parHa'> - I'll definitely take
good note of them for future use!
tlhIngan Hol vIghoj =E2=80=99e=E2=80=99 vItIv ;)
2017-02-09 19:25 GMT+01:00 Lieven <levinius@gmx.de>:
> Okay, since others have broken the KLBC-barrier already, and our current
> BG may be at shore leave, I'll answer this:
>
> Am 09.02.2017 um 13:31 schrieb Aur=C3=A9lie Demonchaux:
>
>> We have some examples of <par> and <parHa'> being used with nouns or
>> pronouns but I can't find any canon source where they apply to verbs.
>>
>> Do you use {'e'} or nothing in those cases?
>>
>
> I will not go into alternatives like {tIv} "enjoy", but simple answer
> the question grammatically:
>
> The verb {neH} is the only exception for omitting {'e'}. This means that
> it is correct to say
>
> {jIvut 'e' vIparHa'} "I like that I cook."
>
> Yes, indeed you may think that this literally means "I do like the fact
> that I am cooking at this moment", but there is no "special" construction
> to express the common feeling of "I like surfing in general". It's the
> English that's strange, not the Klingon.
>
>
> --
> Lieven L. Litaer
> aka Quvar valer 'utlh
> Grammarian of the KLI
> http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher
> http://www.klingonwiki.net
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,he=
lvetica,sans-serif"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"fo=
nt-family:"times new roman",serif">Thanks very much for your deta=
iled replies and clarifications,
this is very helpful!</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
style=3D"font-family:"times new roman",serif"><br></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:"time=
s new roman",serif">I think I get it now, the =E2=80=99e=E2=80=99 just=
needs to be there
regardless of how we might backtranslate it in English.<span></span></span>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:"=
times new roman",serif"><br></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span la=
ng=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:"times new roman",serif">Thanks=
also for sharing alternatives to <parHa'> - I'll definitely =
take good note of them for future use!=C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:"times new roman",se=
rif"><br></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:"time=
s new roman",serif">tlhIngan Hol vIghoj =E2=80=99e=E2=80=99 vItIv ;)<s=
pan></span></span></p></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">2017-02-09 19:25 GMT+01:00 Lieven <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a=
href=3D"mailto:levinius@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">levinius@gmx.de</a>><=
/span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bor=
der-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Okay, since others have broken th=
e KLBC-barrier already, and our current BG may be at shore leave, I'll =
answer this:<span class=3D""><br>
<br>
Am 09.02.2017 um 13:31 schrieb Aur=C3=A9lie Demonchaux:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
We have some examples of <par> and <parHa'> being used with=
nouns or<br>
pronouns but I can't find any canon source where they apply to verbs.<b=
r>
<br>
Do you use {'e'} or nothing in those cases?<br>
</blockquote>
<br></span>
I will not go into alternatives like {tIv} "enjoy", but simple an=
swer<br>
the question grammatically:<br>
<br>
The verb {neH} is the only exception for omitting {'e'}. This means=
that it is correct to say<br>
<br>
{jIvut 'e' vIparHa'} "I like that I cook."<br>
<br>
Yes, indeed you may think that this literally means "I do like the fac=
t that I am cooking at this moment", but there is no "special&quo=
t; construction to express the common feeling of "I like surfing in ge=
neral". It's the English that's strange, not the Klingon.<span=
class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Lieven L. Litaer<br>
aka Quvar valer 'utlh<br>
Grammarian of the KLI<br>
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>http://www.klingonwiki.net</a></font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div cla=
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